[FFML] [ANNOUNCEMENT] The end of the FFML

Weiss Schnee weissschnee333 at gmail.com
Mon Apr 5 06:25:11 PDT 2021 

That's because it's new. Just went fully operational in January. Would be 
nice if more authors started posting at both versions now.



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexander CHEEZEM" <aleh at aol.com>
To: <ffml at chez-vrolet.net>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FFML] [ANNOUNCEMENT] The end of the FFML


> It's also... basically empty, and I saw no signs of anything that'd change 
> that anytime soon.
> -- Aleh
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Weiss Schnee <weissschnee333 at gmail.com>
> To: FFML <ffml at chez-vrolet.net>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2021 1:28 am
> Subject: Re: [FFML] [ANNOUNCEMENT] The end of the FFML
>
> "What is this FP site? I don't get the acronym"
>
> It's Fanfic Paradise.
>
> Fanfic Paradise SFW - https://www.fanficparadise.com/fpforum-sfw/index.php
>
> Fanfic Paradise NSFW - 
> https://www.fanficparadise.com/fpforum-nsfw/index.php
>
> Fanfic Paradise - Start - https://www.fanficparadise.com/index.htm
>
> Enjoy!^_^
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Shadow Dancer
> To: weissschnee333 at gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [FFML] [ANNOUNCEMENT] The end of the FFML
>
>
> What is this FP site? I don't get the acronym
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 8:09 PM Weiss Schnee <weissschnee333 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I remember discovering this mailing list while getting into Ranma 1/2 and
>> Tenchi Muyo fanfiction, then getting my first email account with hotmail
>> specifically to join this list back around '98. Read a ton of good
>> stories
>> from this list, even managed to post some at best (if you're reallly
>> drunk)
>> mediocre ones.
>
> I posted a lot of fanfics to this list while I was drunk. Lots. Anyone
> remember them?
>
>> Thanks for all of the hard work you've put into this list and most
>> importantly for putting the forethought into packing up the archive into 
>> a
>> zipfile as too much of yesteryears internet has disappeared into the
>> digital aether. I'm sure all of us can think of atleast one fanfiction
>> website that just disappeared before they could think of backing up their
>> favorite stories.
>
> Too many fanfic sites have completely disappeared.
>
>> So as others have done I'll add a couple of the forums that I've been
>> frequenting for fanfiction and discussion:
>> https://forums.spacebattles.com/
>> https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/
>>
>> I go by the name Mantech1 on those sites, just an omake or two here and
>> there.
>
> Unfortunately, I am lifetime permbanned from SB, SV, and QQ. Look me up on
> FP under "Ariel Schnee". I've posted stuff on FP SFW, and FP NSFW.
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Barnhill" <mantis399 at gmail.com>
> To: "The Fanfiction Mailing List" <ffml at chez-vrolet.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [FFML] [ANNOUNCEMENT] The end of the FFML
>
>
>>I remember discovering this mailing list while getting into Ranma 1/2 and
>> Tenchi Muyo fanfiction, then getting my first email account with hotmail
>> specifically to join this list back around '98. Read a ton of good
>> stories
>> from this list, even managed to post some at best (if you're reallly
>> drunk)
>> mediocre ones.
>>
>> Thanks for all of the hard work you've put into this list and most
>> importantly for putting the forethought into packing up the archive into 
>> a
>> zipfile as too much of yesteryears internet has disappeared into the
>> digital aether. I'm sure all of us can think of atleast one fanfiction
>> website that just disappeared before they could think of backing up their
>> favorite stories.
>>
>> So as others have done I'll add a couple of the forums that I've been
>> frequenting for fanfiction and discussion:
>> https://forums.spacebattles.com/
>> https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/
>>
>> I go by the name Mantech1 on those sites, just an omake or two here and
>> there.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 5:53 AM Weiss Schnee <weissschnee333 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You know, here's a thought.
>>>
>>> If you don't have time to tend to it yourself, why not hand it over to
>>> someone else then?
>>>
>>> There must be someone who wants this list to survive, and would put the
>>> time
>>> in to maintain it now too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dennis Carr" <dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net>
>>> To: <ffml at chez-vrolet.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2021 6:02 PM
>>> Subject: [FFML] [ADMIN] [ANNOUNCEMENT] The end of the FFML
>>>
>>>
>>> >I suppose there's no easy way of putting it.
>>> >
>>> > After some discussion with the moderators and quite a bit of thought
>>> > over the past few months, I have elected to close the FFML.
>>> >
>>> > There are several reasons for this, but I suppose it can be distilled
>>> > down to two: one is personal, and the other is that time and
>>> > technology march on.
>>> >
>>> > The personal end boils down to no longer having the spoons and having
>>> > to rearrange my life to better serve me. This is, no doubt, a rather
>>> > small thing to deal with - but as I examine my life in middle age and
>>> > make changes in how I live my life, I'm realizing I have an awful lot
>>> > of such rather small things in my life - and I can either continue on
>>> > how I've been doing, or I can sum up what is needed to continue for
>>> > (hopefully) another 40+ years. And to be honest, as much as I came to
>>> > love this list in the 24 years since I joined, sometimes one just has
>>> > to let go of that which they love.
>>> >
>>> > To this same end, I honestly haven't been terribly active in anime
>>> > fandom in quite some time. The last time I did anything, in fact, was
>>> > a "ghost shoot" at Sakura Con in Seattle maybe 13 years ago. I
>>> > haven't been back since, and would like to go again. Hell, even a
>>> > story that I started and co-wrote with another author has been sitting
>>> > on my disk and taking up space - I might continue it. It's called
>>> > Unfinished Business and is a Tenchi Muyo exchange-student story set
>>> > where I once lived in north Orange County, California. But I digress.
>>> >
>>> > The other reason, though, seems bigger. It's like I said - time
>>> > and technology march on.
>>> >
>>> > This list was created in the early years of the public internet. I
>>> > don't know exactly when, as I found the list myself in 1997 when White
>>> > Wolf was still hosting and the pseudo-user Tybalt was used by the mods
>>> > of the time. In that time since, though, much has changed on the
>>> > network. Usenet, for instance, is not nearly as widely used as it
>>> > once was, with much of alt.* alone being riddled with spam. Mailing
>>> > lists came in to fill in the blanks where Usenet would otherwise not
>>> > serve, and while many such lists still exist most have simply fallen
>>> > off. Even twenty years ago, we started seeing dedicated websites and
>>> > web forums for specific purposes including fanfiction as a whole, and
>>> > in some cases those sites gave way to social media sites such as
>>> > Livejournal and Myspace - which themselves basically gave way to the
>>> > likes of Reddit and Facebook. Even Yahoogroups - our old standby that
>>> > we used as backup when Phillip Mak passed on 14 years ago and during
>>> > some other server issues over the years - has pretty much been closed
>>> > up. And all that is just a mere sliver of the progression out here.
>>> > Where I don't deny there is an aspect of not wanting to continue owing
>>> > to these changes in how we work on the internet, this evolution unto
>>> > itself is indeed a large part of what's driving this decision.
>>> >
>>> > To be perfectly clear, this is not at all about the simple fact that
>>> > the traffic on this list has dwindled since even before I took the
>>> > list onto my own server. The dwindle is just a side effect of the
>>> > evolution. Long time subscribers will remember that, back when I even
>>> > discovered this list in 1997 or thenabouts, we would regularly see
>>> > upwards of 20 messages per day (and that was a quiet day!) and in some
>>> > cases expect to wait at least an hour before our message got fully
>>> > posted by the fanfic.com server(s). We were super active back then!
>>> > There was indeed a shift when Phillip took it on, things just slowed
>>> > down. And yeah, I openly admit that I had some optimism that we would
>>> > see list traffic get to the volume that once was - but that was not
>>> > meant to be, despite the "hello world" flurry of posts in July of 2007
>>> > as the boxes were notionally unpacked here. Either way, to reinforce
>>> > - the lack of traffic in and of itself is not a driver in this
>>> > decision. That lack of traffic is just a side effect of what has come
>>> > to be.
>>> >
>>> > It's not an easy decision for me to make. But as much as I have come
>>> > to love this list, it's time to call it a day. This email list, by
>>> > and large, has served its purpose and served it well.
>>> >
>>> > As of the time I am sending this email, I have changed list settings
>>> > to simply reject posts from anyone who is not a member (previous
>>> > settings were to hold email for moderator intervention). ffml-admins
>>> > will retain its current settings and will remain live for the
>>> > duration, so if you need to ping us off list then please don't
>>> > hesitate to do so.
>>> >
>>> > In keeping with the 14th anniversary of opening the list on
>>> > chez-vrolet.net, I will close this list completely on the evening of
>>> > July 1, 2021. The archive will be packed up as it exists, and I will
>>> > have it available for download as a zip file until January 1, 2022.
>>> > The mirrors, as linked in the FAQ, will remain online at the
>>> > prerogative of their respective hosts. I don't run those, and I don't
>>> > get to tell 'em what to do. =)
>>> >
>>> > The usual rules will still apply in the meantime, of course. The
>>> > moderator team will remain in place for the duration of the closure
>>> > period, and you are welcome to continue to use the list as it has been
>>> > used since time(t) = minus infinity - but going forward we are now
>>> > officially allowing the posting of links to "plug" yourself and how to
>>> > make contact aside from email once the list goes dark. So that we may
>>> > keep in contact, I encourage you to share this information. Mine, as
>>> > such, is below.
>>> >
>>> > Oh. One last note, because since getting this domain in 2003 I've
>>> > seen three people who pronounce it correctly aside from my ex wife and
>>> > I (and I gotta spell it every bloody time!) - and I don't know who
>>> > here has figured it out.
>>> >
>>> > It's pronounced "SHAY vro-LAY". =D
>>> >
>>> > Thank you, everyone, for being here.
>>> >
>>> > -Dennis Carr
>>> > (soon to be former list op)
>>> > PO Box 6
>>> > Bothell, WA 98041
>>> > dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net
>>> > http://chez-vrolet.net/~dennisthetiger
>>> > https://www.facebook.com/dennisthetiger/
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