[FFML] [ANNOUNCEMENT] The end of the FFML
Alex McGregor
eternitynchaos at gmail.com
Sun Apr 4 23:43:44 PDT 2021
I'll admit, I'm going to be super sad to see this go, and while I spend
time of fanfiction forums I've always made it a point to check this list
for something good to read
but anyway, while SB and SV are not bad, if your interested in posting
or reading stories that are not so... controled or have some more adult
themes (which would swiftly be banned from said forums for offending
someone) I would suggest checking out QQ
https://forum.questionablequesting.com/ both SFW and NSFW options are
avalible and as long as you read the rules and follow them you should be
fine
but anyway, to all the writers here, thanks for your time and your
words, if this continues to be a thing I'll be over the moon, but if it
has to die at least we had a good run
later
Alex
On 5/04/2021 12:05 pm, James Barnhill wrote:
> I remember discovering this mailing list while getting into Ranma 1/2 and
> Tenchi Muyo fanfiction, then getting my first email account with hotmail
> specifically to join this list back around '98. Read a ton of good stories
> from this list, even managed to post some at best (if you're reallly drunk)
> mediocre ones.
>
> Thanks for all of the hard work you've put into this list and most
> importantly for putting the forethought into packing up the archive into a
> zipfile as too much of yesteryears internet has disappeared into the
> digital aether. I'm sure all of us can think of atleast one fanfiction
> website that just disappeared before they could think of backing up their
> favorite stories.
>
> So as others have done I'll add a couple of the forums that I've been
> frequenting for fanfiction and discussion:
> https://forums.spacebattles.com/
> https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/
>
> I go by the name Mantech1 on those sites, just an omake or two here and
> there.
>
> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 5:53 AM Weiss Schnee <weissschnee333 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You know, here's a thought.
>>
>> If you don't have time to tend to it yourself, why not hand it over to
>> someone else then?
>>
>> There must be someone who wants this list to survive, and would put the
>> time
>> in to maintain it now too.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Signature - https://www.fanficparadise.com/arielschnee/sig3.htm
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dennis Carr" <dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net>
>> To: <ffml at chez-vrolet.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2021 6:02 PM
>> Subject: [FFML] [ADMIN] [ANNOUNCEMENT] The end of the FFML
>>
>>
>>> I suppose there's no easy way of putting it.
>>>
>>> After some discussion with the moderators and quite a bit of thought
>>> over the past few months, I have elected to close the FFML.
>>>
>>> There are several reasons for this, but I suppose it can be distilled
>>> down to two: one is personal, and the other is that time and
>>> technology march on.
>>>
>>> The personal end boils down to no longer having the spoons and having
>>> to rearrange my life to better serve me. This is, no doubt, a rather
>>> small thing to deal with - but as I examine my life in middle age and
>>> make changes in how I live my life, I'm realizing I have an awful lot
>>> of such rather small things in my life - and I can either continue on
>>> how I've been doing, or I can sum up what is needed to continue for
>>> (hopefully) another 40+ years. And to be honest, as much as I came to
>>> love this list in the 24 years since I joined, sometimes one just has
>>> to let go of that which they love.
>>>
>>> To this same end, I honestly haven't been terribly active in anime
>>> fandom in quite some time. The last time I did anything, in fact, was
>>> a "ghost shoot" at Sakura Con in Seattle maybe 13 years ago. I
>>> haven't been back since, and would like to go again. Hell, even a
>>> story that I started and co-wrote with another author has been sitting
>>> on my disk and taking up space - I might continue it. It's called
>>> Unfinished Business and is a Tenchi Muyo exchange-student story set
>>> where I once lived in north Orange County, California. But I digress.
>>>
>>> The other reason, though, seems bigger. It's like I said - time
>>> and technology march on.
>>>
>>> This list was created in the early years of the public internet. I
>>> don't know exactly when, as I found the list myself in 1997 when White
>>> Wolf was still hosting and the pseudo-user Tybalt was used by the mods
>>> of the time. In that time since, though, much has changed on the
>>> network. Usenet, for instance, is not nearly as widely used as it
>>> once was, with much of alt.* alone being riddled with spam. Mailing
>>> lists came in to fill in the blanks where Usenet would otherwise not
>>> serve, and while many such lists still exist most have simply fallen
>>> off. Even twenty years ago, we started seeing dedicated websites and
>>> web forums for specific purposes including fanfiction as a whole, and
>>> in some cases those sites gave way to social media sites such as
>>> Livejournal and Myspace - which themselves basically gave way to the
>>> likes of Reddit and Facebook. Even Yahoogroups - our old standby that
>>> we used as backup when Phillip Mak passed on 14 years ago and during
>>> some other server issues over the years - has pretty much been closed
>>> up. And all that is just a mere sliver of the progression out here.
>>> Where I don't deny there is an aspect of not wanting to continue owing
>>> to these changes in how we work on the internet, this evolution unto
>>> itself is indeed a large part of what's driving this decision.
>>>
>>> To be perfectly clear, this is not at all about the simple fact that
>>> the traffic on this list has dwindled since even before I took the
>>> list onto my own server. The dwindle is just a side effect of the
>>> evolution. Long time subscribers will remember that, back when I even
>>> discovered this list in 1997 or thenabouts, we would regularly see
>>> upwards of 20 messages per day (and that was a quiet day!) and in some
>>> cases expect to wait at least an hour before our message got fully
>>> posted by the fanfic.com server(s). We were super active back then!
>>> There was indeed a shift when Phillip took it on, things just slowed
>>> down. And yeah, I openly admit that I had some optimism that we would
>>> see list traffic get to the volume that once was - but that was not
>>> meant to be, despite the "hello world" flurry of posts in July of 2007
>>> as the boxes were notionally unpacked here. Either way, to reinforce
>>> - the lack of traffic in and of itself is not a driver in this
>>> decision. That lack of traffic is just a side effect of what has come
>>> to be.
>>>
>>> It's not an easy decision for me to make. But as much as I have come
>>> to love this list, it's time to call it a day. This email list, by
>>> and large, has served its purpose and served it well.
>>>
>>> As of the time I am sending this email, I have changed list settings
>>> to simply reject posts from anyone who is not a member (previous
>>> settings were to hold email for moderator intervention). ffml-admins
>>> will retain its current settings and will remain live for the
>>> duration, so if you need to ping us off list then please don't
>>> hesitate to do so.
>>>
>>> In keeping with the 14th anniversary of opening the list on
>>> chez-vrolet.net, I will close this list completely on the evening of
>>> July 1, 2021. The archive will be packed up as it exists, and I will
>>> have it available for download as a zip file until January 1, 2022.
>>> The mirrors, as linked in the FAQ, will remain online at the
>>> prerogative of their respective hosts. I don't run those, and I don't
>>> get to tell 'em what to do. =)
>>>
>>> The usual rules will still apply in the meantime, of course. The
>>> moderator team will remain in place for the duration of the closure
>>> period, and you are welcome to continue to use the list as it has been
>>> used since time(t) = minus infinity - but going forward we are now
>>> officially allowing the posting of links to "plug" yourself and how to
>>> make contact aside from email once the list goes dark. So that we may
>>> keep in contact, I encourage you to share this information. Mine, as
>>> such, is below.
>>>
>>> Oh. One last note, because since getting this domain in 2003 I've
>>> seen three people who pronounce it correctly aside from my ex wife and
>>> I (and I gotta spell it every bloody time!) - and I don't know who
>>> here has figured it out.
>>>
>>> It's pronounced "SHAY vro-LAY". =D
>>>
>>> Thank you, everyone, for being here.
>>>
>>> -Dennis Carr
>>> (soon to be former list op)
>>> PO Box 6
>>> Bothell, WA 98041
>>> dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net
>>> http://chez-vrolet.net/~dennisthetiger
>>> https://www.facebook.com/dennisthetiger/
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