[FFML] Fic archiving and FF.net

[Ray Gatski]

I like the feedback on FF.net, it's a good, quick ego boost.   

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, June Geraci <karaohki at snet.net> wrote:

> From: June Geraci <karaohki at snet.net>
> Subject: Re: [FFML] Fic archiving and FF.net
> To: "The Fanfiction Mailing List" <ffml at chez-vrolet.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:19 AM
> While I do agree that you DO get
> feedback on FFN, much of it is pretty 
> useless.  For example:
> 
> "Great fic, can't wait for the next chapter!"
> 
> "I love it"
> 
> "It stinks!"
> 
> Comments like this are common, whether the story is well
> written, or one 
> full of cliches, plot holes, and atrocious grammar and
> spelling.   One thing 
> I always appreciated about this list (and RAAC) is the
> USEFUL feedback I 
> would see coming in, and the back and forth conversations
> it would generate.
> 
> Oh, and as long as I have your attention, can anyone tell
> me what happened 
> to anifics.com?
> 
> June
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ryan Smith" <obliviane at hotmail.com>
> To: <ffml at chez-vrolet.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [FFML] Fic archiving and FF.net
> 
> 
> 
> Time for my 'once in a blue moon' message to the FFML. :-)
> 
> > Karl wrote:
> > Say what you will, but this list (with probably less
> than 50 active 
> > posters) and
> > the RAAC are probably the last remnants of the 90's
> anime boom era 
> > fanfiction
> > writer community. The vast majority of the current
> community doesn't even 
> > know
> > they exist, and even if they did they wouldn't care.
> The only big group of
> > people (other than old school fanfic writers) who
> still use mailing lists 
> > and
> > Usenet are open source developers, and I'd wager there
> aren't too many of 
> > those
> > who are interested in reading or writing fanfiction.
> 
> There are several reasons why this is the case. The
> biggest, from what I 
> have seen in the past decade, is the feedback that one can
> receive from a 
> large-scale archive like FFN. What the FFML and RAAC can
> offer in terms of 
> feedback quality is often superceded by the fact that FFN
> – and other 
> archives like it – can offer feedback quantity, and it is
> often quantity 
> that matters most to incoming generations of 'ficcers. IMO,
> you are correct 
> to say, from this point of view, that those of us who
> appeared during the 
> '90s boom remain here, though the argument can be made that
> many of us have 
> also migrated to the new sites, regardless of their flaws.
> I have done this; 
> at the old stomping grounds, I received very, very little
> feedback of any 
> kind, so I tried FFN, and ... boom! Of course, a lot of
> that has to do with 
> the 'right fandom, right time' factor, but it bears noting
> that the FFML and 
> RAAC, to use the given examples, only started catering to a
> broader base of 
> 'ficcers in the very recent past.
> 
> > Personal web hosting with personal traffic demands is
> cheap, yes. Running 
> > a
> > large scale archive with a lot of traffic is not, and
> it has already been
> > pointed out that a personal site is not particularly
> useful for archiving 
> > purposes.
> 
> The traffic is a key concern. I am a moderator / owner at
> one of these 
> archives. (Since I am not here to advertise, there is no
> need to mention 
> which one.) Operating capital from the owners can cover the
> basic fees, but 
> we have long accepted the necessity of ads and donations
> once the archive 
> grows to a certain size. As other posters have noted, I
> cannot see such 
> revenues as a copyright violation, not when they are
> necessary for the 
> archive to survive. Further, to build on a point one poster
> made, since the 
> web site relies heavily on modern widgets like Java applets
> and the like, 
> mirroring would be quite difficult, if not impossible.
> That, if anything, is 
> the major advantage that older formats like RAAC offer.
> 
> Hmm, got more thoughts out of that than I suspected. Thank
> you for the brain 
> food, Mr. Karl. :-)
> 
> – I Abibde / Samuraiter (AKA Big Samurai)
> 
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