Subject: [FFML] Re: that hp/ranma thing
From: croaker@rochester.rr.com
Date: 6/29/2004, 9:39 AM
To: thermopyle@tds.net
CC: ffml@anifics.com







Okay...I'm going to reply to the story and to a few different 
email comments here, so I'll just start from the bottom of the thread.

To start with, directly from the fic:

"Akane held a hand out with a pair of 5000 yen notes, frowning as 
she reached for the tape."

I don't think it's likely that Akane would be carrying a hundred 
dollars (greatly rounded) on her.  MAYBE she'd have it stored in 
her room somewhere, but she wouldn't have it on her, especially 
when she wouldn't be carrying a purse at the time.


Agreed....

"But what really bugged her was that this was hitting her harder 
than she expected. It?s not like she really cared for Ranma, was 
it? Oh, who did she think she was fooling? Of course she did, 
Nabiki realized. She had cared for Ranma for quite a while, even 
if she wouldn?t admit it to herself. After all, who was it that 
pulled her family?s fat out of the fire, time and time again? 
Sure, sometimes it was his fault for actually putting it in the 
fire to begin with, but she knew several times where he?d saved 
them from their own stupidity."

This segment doesn't work very well.  It would be far more 
believable for Nabiki to have already realized her love for Ranma. 
Trying to make out like she's just noticing it now calls more 
attention to the transition from cold bitch to Ranma-loving-
junkie, which this fic does NOT need.  Changing the story so that 
Nabiki was just hiding her affections would help quite a bit, 
because it's easier to get the reader to go along with a constant 
characterization that is present from the beginning of the story 
than try to carry out a transformation that the reader will be 
forced to wade through.  Justifications for why Nabiki is in love 
with Ranma just weaken and slow the story down; there is no gain 
to be made from such an approach in this story where shifting 
characterizations will not get the extreme amount of focus that 
will be required for a successful change.

Also agreed. Wow. Last time I responded to your C&C we started a flamewar.


"Tofu shook her head. ?You were young. It was a simple enough 
mistake.?
?I shouldn?t have been doing that anyway. I am glad you?re finally 
over it, though,? Kasumi said, ashamed."

I have to admit I was pleasently surprised by this.  A nice 
addition.  The later revealing of this to Nabiki was going too 
far, though.

Three in a row? Damn.


"Here we go, Nabiki thought to herself. ?Well, he can?t be a man, 
considering he?s only 10 right now, can he??

Nodoka replied, ?Eleven. His birthday was a week and a half ago.?"

...I really don't understand this.  How would Nodoka know how old 
Ranma is?  Ranma supposedly ate the 10cm mushroom.  That makes him 
ten years old, unless he ate the mushroom before his birthday, 
which I doubt; the story arc was too short and didn't cover the 
difficulties that would be present by such a prolonged period.  
Besides, unless the mushroom were 10cm and some portion of 
another, it would take a full year from when he ate the mushroom 
for him to age to being eleven.  So...this seems like nonsense.


I'm not sure how long he was stuck at that age in canon, but if it were before his birthday... well, it's his BIRTHDAY, and she's his MOTHER. Do you really expect her not to celebrate it anyway, even if physically he's only ten-and-a-little? He's chronologically SEVENTEEN!


Regarding the issue of whether the magical school would have 
hunted down Ranma or either Tendou girl, here is the phrasing of 
Hogwarts' letter, which seems automatic/standard:

"We await your owl by no later than 31 July."

I read this as "We await your acceptance or lack thereof," with 
probably a spell put on the letter to ensure that it is not 
destroyed.  If the letter IS destroyed, more are sent, and if no 
reply is recieved, a teacher is sent.  This is supported by 
Hagrid's statement of "I knew you weren't getting your letters" 
when explaining things to Harry during the first book.  You can 
agree or disagree with how I read the way the book give the 
situation, that's just my input.  However, it should be noted that 
this is for Hogwarts, not Golden Sora, and that none of the 
characters recieved a letter from Hogwarts, so it is pointless to 
consider whether or not the matter being dropped after only one 
letter is canon; such a question does not apply here.

It's entirely possible that Golden Sora, being a Japanese institution, would have bowed to the will of the families rather than disturb the wa of the land in as great a manner as Hogwarts did when pursuing Harry.

It's also possible that Hogwarts' pursuit of Mr. Potter was, shall we say, rather more than the ordinary attempts to contact a prospective student....



"Dear Mrs. and Ms. Saotome,"

This is questionable; Ranma was turned into a girl only shortly 
before the letter arrived, and his name was gotten from the list 
of students, which had recorded Ranma's birth, so it should be 
accurate.  The letter would more likely be addressed to Mr. 
Saotome, not Ms.  It can probably be dismissed as "magic," but if 
that's the case, I would expect that such sensitive magic would 
recognize a curse and act appropriately...which in this case would 
be to remain as Mr..  Also, the deliberate mentioning of Mrs. 
Saotome implies that the situation with Genma is known by the 
person who sent the letter, which also implies more knowledge of 
Ranma's sitiuation, which causes the question of why Ranma was 
left in that situation of he were being monitored that closely.  
Combined with the prologue, which was very harsh to Genma, that 
Ranma would be knowlingly left to such "torture" is hard to believe.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one. 



"?I?m going to try to find those mushrooms, Ranma.? 

The child shook her head. ?No, you can?t do that. You don?t want 
to be a kid again just for me.?"

This is also questionable.  If Nabiki finds the mushrooms, what is 
to keep Ranma from simply using them to return to his normal age?  
This isn't supported at all in the fic.  The question isn't even 
raised by any of the characters involved here, and it's not one 
that could be missed; it would come up, and it would need to be 
addressed.
Also, the general acceptance between Ranma and Nabiki of their new 
potential relationship goes much too smoothly.  I didn't believe 
it at all; the emotions involved just didn't work out.

We agree here, though. It is a bit too quick. 


"Amazon law does not allow the intermarriage between normal people 
and wizards. There are so few wizards, the laws were meant to help 
promote growth.?"

...I'm failing to see the logic behind this reasoning.  There 
isn't, as far as I know, a single case mentioned in the books 
where a muggle and a wizard had children who weren't magical.  
There is, however, the reverse; at least two cases, iirc about 
Tonks's father being a muggle.  Also, it is clear that muggles can 
have magical children.  So Cologne's statement would argue that 
the children of wizards and muggles tend to be non-magical, which 
just isn't supported.  At the very least, Cologne has to state 
directly that it IS the case, since there is not canon information 
that anywhere near suggests such.

And how many wizards in the Hogwarts world actually believe and understand that? I'd say... somewhat less than half. There's still a fairly strong level of anti-muggle sentiment, and belief that "purebloods" are better than "halfbloods". Cologne's shown herself to be strongly prejudiced about things in the past, it's no surprise to find her reacting in such a way again here.


On a related note...there has been some argument over the 
significance of the Potter family line and the manner in which 
Draco addresses Harry.  Sorry, folks, but Harry isn't a halfblood. 
A halfblood has one magical parent and one muggle parent.  Tom 
Riddle is a halfblood.  Harry is not, despite the rather 
widespread fanon misconception that he is.

True. It's Hermione who's the halfblood.


"Ranma?s eyes widened, then he chuckled. ?Of course. I should have 
figured. It?s sort of obvious looking at it now. Knowing so much 
about magic and stuff.?"

This was lame.  Sorry, but it was REALLY lame.

Yeah.


"?I?m not going to live too much longer. I don?t mean I?m going to 
die in a day or two, but I mean that I?ve lived a long time and 
doubt I?ll live too much longer."

Repetitive.  Rephrase.

As for the whole Grandmaster Ranma bit...again, sorry, but that's 
really lame.  There is no reason or justification for such an 
addition to the story.  It just feels like an unneeded powerup.  
It should be cut completely, because it doesn't belong in a fic 
like this.

That all depends on what Ranma's destined role is, and why he's been handed over to Hogwarts so suddenly. Ask yourself why the premier /Japanese/ institute of magical education would suddenly turn over one of its prospective prize students to a gaijin school, with apparently little prompting? There's got to be more going on behind the scenes here.


<snippage>

Okay...final comments from previous emails:

On the issue of whether the background for the mushroom arc should 
be covered in the fic: the answer is no.  Add a link to one of the 
sites with Ranma manga synopsi if necessary, but don't go further 
than that.  Honestly, the more pressing issue, since most of the 
people who read this fic will have seen or read Ranma, is that 
people might be unfamiliar with the HP books.  I wouldn't 
reccommend writing that backstory into the fic, either.  -_-;

I think we're hitting a world record on lack of flamewar here.


Much discussion has been made about how the invitations to Golden 
Sora would have been handled, but I haven't seen anybody ask why 
Hogwarts never sent an invitation during Ranma's first youth.  
That they didn't send a letter, and that they didn't follow up on 
the situation despite the obvious amount of work they're putting 
into Ranma's transfer NOW, seems odd.  Why didn't they?  This 
needs to be addressed.  Presumably the justification for Ranma 
getting a letter now is upcoming, though I have no doubt that 
Ranma should only have recieved a letter from his local school; 
even Harry did, and Harry is so famous that it's actually hard to 
believe he didn't get invitations from other places.  So, 
something else that will need to be extremely well-justified, 
though unlike Nabiki's emotional changes, this isn't a situation 
that can be avoided.

Hm.  That's it, I think.

Yup. Again, I think the Hogwarts involvement is something relatively recent and inspired by something in Ranma's recent history... which we will hopefully see in later chapters.

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