Subject: [FFML] Re: [Ranma] Doomed
From: "Steven Avery" <stevenav@worldnet.att.net>
Date: 7/21/2002, 6:44 PM
To: "FFML" <ffml@anifics.com>


Personally I think this is getting outside of the bounds of the FFML's
stated purpose.. but let me jsut say this..

I personally think that if you okay the use of  the "postive" stereo types..
then you have not grounds for complaint about the negative stereotypes.

If you're gonna on one hand say.. it's okay to use a particular stereotype
just because it's flattering in some way.. then by that same token.. you
become a total hypocrite if you then blackball the negative ones if they're
used.

The way I see it.. it's a clear cut case of double standards.

That said... I'm thinking that it's best to drop this convesation to
personal mails before it gets admin banned.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rann Aridorn" <rann-chan@attbi.com>
To: <ffml@anifics.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: [FFML] Re: [Ranma] Doomed



At 07:19 PM 7/21/2002 -0300, you wrote:

But you people got offended. Now, I�m against racism, since I strongly
believe everyone to be completly equal and entirely different, but I fail
to
see how this can be interpreted as a racist fic when the fic itself mocks
stereotypes.

Oh, I wasn't offended, myself. I got that he was spoofing the whole
stereotype issue and so on. I just thought the "fried chicken" part was
pushing it a little too far. There's always a line, a border for what
constitutes how far you should take a joke. Sometimes it's salvageable if
you completely smash the line and tear across it at 100MPH, but if you
just
sort of inch across it, then sometimes it comes off poorly.
Let's take a similar scene from Blazing Saddles, one of Mel Brooks' finest
works. We've got Lily von Schtupp with Sheriff Bart in the dark, and
asking
"So, is it true what they say about your people?" and then exultant cries
of "Oh, it's true! It's true! IT'S TRUE!" Now, in the next scene, she's
feeding him some sausages and stuff for breakfast, and is hopelessly
devoted to him. In all, it comes off as a very funny scene, and it's got
that perfect satirical air to it that Brooks is famous for.
But, consider for a moment, if in the "morning after" scene, Lily had been
feeding Bart a big pile of collard greens beside a large plate of fried
chicken and a diced-up watermelon. Would it have been quite so funny,
then,
or edging on the boundaries of bad taste...? I think there's only so far
you can push the spoofing of a stereotype before you actually descend into
buying into the stereotype.

-Rann


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