From: "Video Game Addicted Person" <vg_ap@yahoo.com>
Since I gav him the idea, I may as well make the
first response as to why I
came up with it.
Oh dear. I hope this won't develop into an ugly
argument...
But maybe some clarifications might help. =)
Hmm. Rather unconvincing plotline, I must
admit.
Akane, better than Ranma, training at home? Very,
very
hard to swallow. Even if she went on a same
training
trip as he did, I doubt she would be as good as
him;
she doesn't seem as talented.
Well, it's not as much just her as it is her father
as well. Soun's been
pushing Akane just as hard, if not harder, than
Genma's been pushing Ranma.
That was the major premise of the Idea I had.
..... You have completely, utterly lost me here.
How is it possible for Soun to push Akane harder than
Genma did Ranma, without all the abuse, poverty,
homeless life, lack of education, and other elements?
Don't say that job time must have detracted them; IF
(and that's a BIG if) Genma and/or Ranma worked, they
would probably be rigorous jobs,
such as construction works or farming. That's WAAAAY
better training method than sitting around in school
half of the day.
Well, as some people noted, Ranma isn't totally uneducated, so he had to
spend a great deal of time in school. Probably not as much as Akane, but
enough so that he wasn't held back. And Genma obviously does consider Ranma
having an education to be somewhat important. I don't see how poverty and
homelessness immediately equate to better martial artist. It makes life
tougher, but not to an incredible degree.
And you don't know what this Akane has had to go through to become the level
of martial artist that she is. I haven't addressed it yet, because it's too
soon.
The point here seems that if Akane was as
good as
Ranma, they would get along very well. I must
disagree; if Ranma was beaten by a girl who lived a
relatively normal life (at least, compared to his
upbringing), then he probably would get frantic to
surpass her (skipping school, training day and
night,
or even attempting to master Neko-ken); I can't see
him being friendly to her. If anything, fear or
hostility is much more likely.
Ranma came back and defeated her the next day, after
spending the night
planning, and the early morning practicing. It's
more of a rivalry between
the two. It's basicaly from the belief I developed
that Ranma really needs
a girl who can kick his ass. As she is in the
??? You have the weirdest belief I have ever
encountered. Ranma is like a mild, non-genocidal
version of Vegeta (DB). He HATES being beaten by
anybody; a natural reaction, when you consider that
it's the only thing he's good at.
Yes, he does. That's going to be a problem, isn't it? Especially, since this
Akane has pretty much the same attitude.
original series, Akane can do
that occasionally, but only when she's mad. Yes,
every time Akane Beats
Ranma, He's gonna push himself harder, come back,
and beat her. Then
Akane's gonna come back and beat him again. Then
Ranma's gonna beat her...
it's a vicious cycle. And since Ranma doesn't like
hitting girls, he's
either gonna have to change that, or come up with
some imaginative ways of
stopping Akane without hurting her.
In other words, you wanted to make them equals?
Since Akane is superior to him in academics and other
civilized common sense, it seems more like unbalancing
their relationship.
All I mentioned about this Akane's education is that A) She didn't want to
be late, because it would affect her grades which are moderately in trouble
because of training trips, B) She focuses 110% on school, which was more of
showing a character trait than how well she was doing.
And Ranma does fear her, a little bit, anyway. But
this Akane has learned a
lot of self-control, something the original Akane
lacks. Akane is actually
trying to be civil here, eliminating a lot of their
earlier problems, which,
as much as I like Akane, I realize are mostly her
own fault. The biggest
Self-control? Akane? Well, it's not the first, I
guess. But then, that raises this question; if Akane
is
so miraculously good just by means of ordinary
training, then wouldn't she be even more egostical
than Ranma? It's not a must, but it's something of a
possibility. In fact, when she lost to Ranma in their
third match, shouldn't she react exactly the same as
he did?
Nowhere did I ever mention that Akane received 'regular' training only. Soun
does have a sign that asks challengers (dojo destroyers and such) to please
use the back door. That indicates that at some point, he expected to be
challenged fairly often.I mentioned in multiple places that Akane has gone
on extensive training trips.
than her. Akane was the undisputed best martial
artist in Nerima until
Ranma came along, making her look like an ametuer,
then drawing others after
him and quickly dropping her far from the top. This
Note, however, that Akane was fairly quick to
admit Ranma as being vastly superior... Not in words,
but in attitudes.
??? Where?
Akane doesn't have that
problem, so that removes a big part of the
animostity the original felt for
Ranma, and gives her respect for him as a Martial
artist of equal, greater,
or lesser level(depending on who last beat who).
Rivalry respect? THIS early in meeting? When she
(from her point of view) had been peeked on?
I think this Akane has the common sense to realize that Ranma didn't want to
be in the bathroom with her. She might have been very angry, but it was
*her* fault. Not Ranma's.
They're only really
friendly to each other when it evens out between
them, and when one of them
upsets the balance, they get more like their
original selves. But there's
still that measure of respect for each other.
But still, you haven't answered my question: why
didn't Ranma react with fear or hostility toward
Akane, when beaten as a boy? If it was against
somebody like Ryoga or Herb, he could sort of accept
it; they trained almost as hard as he did, maybe even
more. But a Japanese schoolgirl, living comfortably in
home with family and friends, never having to worry
about where the next meal was coming, and even having
the luxury of regularly attending school (May I point
out that he never really protested to going to school
in canon?)... That would probably be unforgivable in
his eyes.
You are making a whole scad of assumptions here. Yes, Akane managed to go to
school more regularly than Ranma, but nowhere did it just say, "Akane just
studied at home under Soun and became better than Ranma." That's laughable.
Ranma realizes that Akane had to have had some very serious challenges to be
at the level that she is at. It just hasn't been specifically pointed out
which circumstances she had to go through. (But then again, we didn't learn
about the Cat Fist until after the Goldern Pair.)
Ranma is considerably generous and
mild-tempered... but not if you activate his
inferiority complex.
Well, I hope my ranting didn't tick you off...
No, but it was built on some misconceptions. As long as we keep it civil,
we're all right.
=)