On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, "Reed Sekiya" <rsekiya@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

--- Gary Kleppe <kleppe@execpc.com> wrote:

Video Game Addicted Person <vg_ap@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Before I say anything, let's not start a

character

debate in FFML, okay? If you want to noisily

disagree

with me, do it privately.

Sorry, request denied. We're discussing whether the
characters' actions
in this story were believable, which is a legitimate
topic of C&C. And
if you don't want opinions on a certain topic
discussed on the list, you
should start by not posting your own opinions on the
topic to the list.

     I guess it was selfish of me. I was trying to
avoid making a never-ending discussion, but I can't
stop people from expressing their opinions. Mr. Kleppe
and those that were offended by my post, please accept
my apology.

     Of course, I still don't agree with what Mr.
Kleppe said... ^_^

    I for one don't have a problem with a never-ending discussion.  I'm 
taking the middle ground in this one.  I thought the characters in the fic 
were majorly OOC.  The Ranma 1/2 characters can barely kiss one another, let 
alone have sex.  Unless of course all it was just a kiss and our sick minds 
just assumed the wrong thing.
    Also, while I do agree that there is no way Ranma's friendship with 
Ukyou could be stronger than his love for Akane, but it isn't as weak of 
Gary Kleppe made it sound.  Ranma hardly ends up eating at the Nekohanten 
when he's got problems(there are example, but they escape me at the moment). 
 I'm not saying that he feels the need to always confide in Ukyou.  He 
does, however, go to her place to get away/think/brood about his problems.  
That automatically puts her friendship above Shampoo's.

	When did Ranma intentionally go the Ucchan's when he had problems?  I 
don't recall any examples.  Although you are right in that he never confides 
in Ukyou.  Her first meeting with Shampoo is proof of that.

    The friendship with Ryouga, which I think does exist and is greater 
than Shampoo's, is a little harder to judge.  Ranma and Ryouga kind of have 
this kindred spirit thing.  They both struggle to be the best(regarding 
who's better is another never-ending discussion I wouldn't mind having), 
have trouble expressing their feelings, and have faced a lot of adversity 
through their lives.  I'm not exactly sure how far each acknowledges this 
friendship(never-ending discussion#3), though, so I'll have to give the nod 
the Ukyou's friendship again.

	Frankly the only real evidence of Ranma's friendship to any of them is 
his willingness to help them, and put up with all the violent and/or 
underhanded things they try to do to him and Akane.  

    I know Ranma doesn't treat her all that well and tried to rid of her 
during that Sauce story.  I, personally, think that he didn't hate her 
presence.  He just didn't like the atmoshpere it caused in the Tendo 
household and Akane's reaction of course.
    There are also two reasons he can't act all buddy-buddy with Ukyou.  
The first is that he isn't all that good at expressing loving 
emotions(friendship or love).  I mean, consider how he treats Akane some of 
the time and he loves her.  The second reason is that everyone else would 

	Well in Akane's case part of his treatment is his fear of being in 
love, part is his awarness that if he can get her mad she cares about him, and 
of course you can't forget his natural mixture of Selfishness, Tactlessness, 
and impatience with thinking anything through.(Note the last applies to 
everyone.)

have a fit if he spent a lot of time with Ukyou, especially Akane and her 
father.

	Of course except for the not so well documented free food theory 
there's not a lot of reason he would want to actively seek out Ukyou's 
company.  Are there any examples of him seeing her without an ulterior 
motive(Including food)

Caine


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