Shade <rowan-phoenix@usa.net> wrote:

Why settle for just simple C&C when you can stir the pot a little?

Daisuke: Because simple C&C might be useful to the authors?

Rowan: Ah, the sarcasm is starting early.

Guardian: What part of Spoof doesn't he understand?

The part that says that this can be one even though it's completely
unfunny.

[snip a whole bunch of goofiness]

Bard: You do realize that if you take the goofiness out of 
one of Shade's fics that there won't be much left.

You said it. I didn't.

Daisuke: Well, it WOULD be valid if he'd 
given us any details to go on.
WHO does he think is out of character?
Where? And what does he think they WOULD have done?

Rowan: You really should be careful what you ask for.

Shadow: Yeah, you might just get it.

Nice dodge. You still haven't answered the questions.

Gary: Oh, my. What a mature response. 
This person has certainly managed
to convince me of the rightness of 
his position, yes he has.

Guardian: Your sarcasm's dripping onto the floor. 
Besides anyone that uses H & D has no right to 
knock someone else's maturity.

A virtual shooting of someone because he disagreed with you is more
immature than anything H&D ever did, IMO.

Shadow: {Raises an eyebrow} Compared to some 
of the stuff we've seen that was pretty tame.

Rowan: Glass houses and stones.

Uh huh. This is meaningless unless you give specifics, you know.

�Living waste of resources.� Shadow scowled as the 
Tendo bimbo made a painful farewell between Ukyo 
and Ranma even more heartbreaking.

Gary: And blah blah blah. You ever gonna tell us what you think was
wrong with our fic, or is this post just an excuse for childish
character insults?

Guardian: Why you...do we have to spell 
it out in words of one syllable or less??!!

Rowan: Down Boy.

Shadow: Hmmm....I wasn't aware personal observations 
were not seen as just that, observations. 

Eh? "Living waste of resources" and "bimbo" are insults.

Bard: Let's see...this fic basically does nothing 
really. We have Akane being portrayed as the 
innocent victim of everything, wishes that had 
the potential for a better story going wrong in 
such a way to only suit the authors' personal biases.
Lots of character bashing of Shampoo and Ukyo, Ranma 
gets put through Hell, Blatent SI character that 
just pisses us off, and now we're going to take 
this screwed up lame fic and inject a strong dose 
of insanity in it. If they've got to be out of 
character, give a good reason for it.

Better. Still too short on specifics to be meaningful, though.

Hiroshi: But you've given us very 
little to go on here. You've told us
very little about *why* you disliked this so much.

Rowan: They do realize that this is 
      a Altiverse Fic, not a true C&C?

This isn't a fic at all, as far as I can see. Just a whole lot of
goofiness combined with some mostly meaningless remarks about another
fic.

Tell us what you didn't like about our story,
and why, and we promise we'll listen.
Who knows, we might even agree with you.

Shadow: Shall we give it to him?

{Others}: YES!!

Okay, NOW we're getting somewhere.

[Chapter 1: Akane Tendo]

[ See how Shampoo likes being a cat all the time,
or Ukyou being a real man. 
Akane giggled, shaking her head. 
She would never do that.  She wasn't
the vindictive sort; she didn't really 
want to hurt anyone, just to
sort of get them out of the way.]

Rowan: We're getting mixed signals here. 
Her thoughts are contradicting themselves, 

She's having conflicted thoughts.

not mention that Akane IS vengeful and 
spiteful too even in canon.

Examples? I can name you plenty of instances in which she could've been
vindictive, but wasn't. When she had the battle dougi that made her
stronger than Ranma, she didn't go out and break Ukyo and Shampoo's
legs.

I don't agree with all the characterizations in this series. Some of 'em
I think are way off. But this one I do agree with.

[ There was something wrong with changing 
people's minds, though.  It was too
underhanded, too much like Shampoo's potions.]

Bard: Standard fanfic cliche, and Akane is not averse to
using underhanded methods herself from time to time.
I can see if you're showing us part of her hypocritical 
side but putting it as the real her isn't cutting it.

And you've still failed to give any support for this assertion.

[She could make herself a great warrior, and finally 
show Ranma what was what.  She could cook a great meal 
and shove it in his face.  But no; she wanted
to do something huge, something significant, not 
just to change a tiny corner of her life.]

Guardian: This is just wrong. Akane just 
does not have this kind of insight. She WOULD make 
an impulsive wish. Her emotions control her, not 
the other way around.

Not always.

Rowan: The mythical "noble" Ryoga. Frankly this is
just not happening short of extreme Divine Intervention.
By all rights Ryoga should have either 
A) wished to be cured of his Jusenkyo curse
or B) Wished to be better then Ranma

Ryoga's rivalry with Ranma pretty much ended by vol. 38. And in this
story, Ryoga can't decide between A) and C) wishing for a good sense of
direction. Do you get the point now?

[Chapter 3: Hikaru Gosunkugi]

[Asmodeus had arrived.]

Bard: For your information Asmodeus is a Devil not a demon.
There is a BIG difference between the two. Demons are evil 
embodied in Chaos and Devils are Evil embodied in order.

D&D books: the source of all truth. :)

*ahem* Since ol' Asmo doesn't really exist, and isn't a part of Ranma
1/2 canon, he can be whatever we say he is.

Guardian: Ugh....the stale melodrama is 
as flat as day old rootbeer.
The battle reads like a grade school 
tv action show. Also too much focus on Akane, 
I find it hard to believe that Ranma didn't 
do anything during or after the funeral. 
It's just not him.

What did you expect him to do?

[Chapter 4: Mousse]

Shadow: Frankly, this chapter just sucked. Mousse is WAY 
OOC here, the guardian angel bit was a copout. Mousse is
not a cold type of person, he tends to be more along the 
lines of raging volcano, he has passion. The one here is 
a corpse and that's BEFORE he dies.

Wow, I can actually see your point here.

Bard: The Unclean plot device stinks, Cologne 
DOES have morals. Using her as a villain goes against 
just about everything that took place in the previous 20 
or so volumes.

"Stinks" isn't meaningful enough for me to respond to. And Cologne will
try to put Ranma and Shampoo together when there's an opportunity; the
reversal jewel story proved that.

Shadow: Who are you and what have you done with the real Ranma?
BAD enough that the SI character appears here but this.....
This goes against everything Ranma Saotome stands for.
Sacrificing Ukyo just like that? He is NOT GENMA!
I'm sorry but this is just a poor excuse to match 
up Akane & Ranma together by totally rewriting their characters.

So what do you think Ranma *would* have done in this situation?

Bard: Now why did he want to marry her again? Here we 
have him sacrifice everything for her and yet Akane 
STILL treats him like dirt and takes his affection for granted.
Even Love has its limits. 

And now someone else could come along and call *this* section "WAY OOC."
See how that works? Without supporting examples, this sort of thing
doesn't mean much.

Bard: The less said of Kodachi's wish the better.

Well, if you have nothing to say about it, I have nothing to answer you
on.

Still, I'm impressed. You did manage to address some specific points,
even if I don't agree with many of them.