Subject: Re: [FFML] Re:_[FFML][C&C]_Nabiki_and_Ranma_½_
From: MalaspinaM@aol.com
Date: 4/7/1999, 5:47 PM
To: wolf@sbm.org, ffml@fanfic.com

In a message dated 4/7/99 8:57:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wolf@sbm.org 
writes:

Ranma and Nabiki � now with prereader is getting a revision before I start 
 >chapter 2. It shouldn't be long before I send it out. (I hope.)
 
 Tis a good idea. Keeping readers waiting is a bad idea. I should know, I'm
 an author with fans after his head. They want the ideas in it.
	Yeah. I will do my best not to make anyone wait.
 
 >>  >	After he finished reading he cried more thinking to himself, 
*What 
 >>  >has Saotome done to my little girl now!*
 >>  
 >>  This is very funny... expect that I don't think Soun sees Genma as the
 >>  trouble-maker he is. He doesn't usually say anything about it.
 >	Ah, but to think, is not to say. Or, um, something equally 
 >philosophical.
 
 Soun does know his best friend fairly well... but it has been ten years.
 
 I'll leave it to you. Personally, I would leave it. It's funny and not 
 impossible. Worst thing that could happen is that Gary Kleppe comes after 
you
 for OOCness. ^_~
	::Cowers slightly:: Oh, no! Guess I'll just have to tough it out. I'm 
leaving it in.
 
 
 >>  >"There is no way I'm going home for the first time in ten years like 
this
 >>  you 
 >>  >stupid, fat, old man!" screamed the boy.
 >>  
 >>  I wonder if a girl can get cursed with the form of a different looking 
 >girl?
 >	I would think so..I mean didn't..ahhh..Kiima(not sure is this is 
 >spelled right OR the right character but bear with me) get cursed to look 
 >like Akane?
 
 I think (and I'm not sure... so I'm hoping someone will correct me) that
 that character was a male.
	Hmm... It's been so long since I saw that part of Ranma... that I 
have no idea. So, you may be right.
 
 
 
 >>>to throw attacks and raise defenses at the same time. Still it only 
took 
 >>>a minute for the much-outsized girl to kick the panda's ass.
 >>  WoLF: much-outsized? Ranma isn't THAT endowed except in the movies.
 >0_0 ::blink, blink:: I was referring to how much the panda weighs and 
 >how tall it is.
 
 Oops! I guess you'd better rephrase that sentence then.
 
 Wouldn't want people to think that you have a fixation for Ranma's 
 breasts, would we. ^_~
	Yeah. I was originally trying to think of a non common description. 
Guess I did use one just described the wrong thing.
 
 
 >>  WoLF: <raises an eyebrow> I don't agree with this. Ranma is not better
 than
 >>        his father. Not at the beginning of the series at least. I don't
 know
 >>        where you got this idea... unless there is a reason that has not
 been
 >>        explained yet.
 >	Noted, and not believed. That I missed that not that it's wrong.
 
 I assume that an explanation is forthcoming then?
 
 Better yet, if Ranma is better, you should leave out such an assertion 
 here until the time comes that it is explained why Ranma is better. 
 Otherwise, people will be fire balling you for this too.
 
	No explanation just a change in scene.
 
 
 >>  WoLF: Hunh? This makes no sense unless Akane is expecting:
 >	::Winces:: Yeah, again I can't believe I let that slip by in editing. 
 
 You should beat the editor.
 
 Oh! You're the editor. Hmmm... maybe something less drastic then.
 
	Maybe.
 
 >(At least what I call editing. I'm sure it's not the best in the world.)
 >>        a) a curse, which she doesn't have any knowledge about yet.
 >>        b) Nabiki to turn les... which is DC's current affliction. ^_~
 >	Maybe I'm just real tired but...DC?
 
 Oops! That needs to be explained. On the Fanfiction IRC channel (FFIRC), 
 Donny Cheng (alias: DC) is writing a series called Lesbian 1/2.
 
 It's using artificial lemons (meaning, it's all innuendo... nothing 
happens),
 
 but still leaves that lemony taste in your mouth.
	Ooohhh..Guess I'll have to check that out when I can.
 
 
 >>  WoLF: Why on earth would Ranma remain female? The others turned back.
 >	Oops..Noted.
 
 Andrew: I can see it being something like: the found water, all got turned 
 back, but Ranma was unlucky enough to get splashed a block away from the 
 Tendous. That being the case, you might want him(her) to be damp when 
 he (she) arrives.
 
	Ok, thanks for reminding me, I forgot about the damp part, but I have 
rewritten it to explain why he was a girl. Guess that's one more thing fix.
 
 >>>conscious had shot at least one glare at Genma, who by the end was 
 >>>sweating bullets. Everyone turned his or her attention from Ranma to 
 >>>Soun as he moaned.
 >>  
 >>  WoLF: Cool. Free munitions
 >	: )
 
 Thinking about this scene, I'm not sure how embarrassed Genma would be 
 about this. But even if he were, most of the family doesn't know Genma 
 yet... I think that giving dirty looks to an almost complete stranger 
is... 
 doubtful. 
 
 Not impossible though. I wonder what other people on the list think.
 
 It is funny though... but I don't think it fits at this time.
	You're right..I'll have to fix this as well.
 
 
 >>  >	"Sorry about that, Mr. Tendo," said Ranma looking sheepish, 
"I swear 
 >>  >I can explain why I was a girl."
 >>  >
 >>  >	Soun fainted again.
 >>  
 >>  Andrew: Bwahahahahahahaha! That was worth it.
 >	And in the revision ..It'll even be explained!
 
 Cool! This scene must be there.
 
 
 >>          why is she so savvy?
 >	I take that as a basic personality trait of Nabiki. Though being with 
 >Genma will make her more honorable. WHAT?!?! You say? She sees him and 
 >decides she _really_ doesn't want to be like him. I personally interpret
 this 
 >as why Ranma is so honorable.
 
 Also, Nabiki did have a bit of her childhood with her natural (normal?) 
 parents. But if she's 17, that means she left at the age of 7. Not sure 
 how much that would've affected her growth.
 
 All in all, Nabiki is a smart girl. I suspect that she would've gotten 
 something from the people she met during her travels.
 
 This, of course, is pure conjecture. You could also go with the idea that 
 she's as sheltered as Ranma and act accordingly. 
 
 Author's perogative. ^_^
 
 I don't really have a big problem with how she's portrayed here though.
 
 
 >>WoLF  : Ok... Genma's a bit wiser too. Looks like having Nabiki around 
has
 >>        made him a lot more cunning. Might make for a more interesting 
(if
 >>        dangerous) character.
 >>Andrew: I'm looking forward to seeing more of him.
 >	Woohoo!
 
 My point here is that Genma is often portrayed as a very stupid person, 
which 
 he is not. In general, he is quite clever at covering his tracks... unless 
 something comes out to actively bite him (Like Ukyou). 
 
 He is very self-centered though. That makes him do questionable things... 
but 
 he's usually smart enough to get away with it.
 
 Considering that he was trained by Happousai, the master of Immorality, 
I'm 
 quite sure that Genma learned something. You may want to play up that 
aspect 

 of his personality.
 
	I'll try that.
 
 >>  >How could _his_ off spring be so cowardly as to fall backwards at the 
 >sight 
 >> 
 >>                   offspring
 >	Whoops..Thought that was only one word when talking about the band.
 
 Heh... you may also want to rebuild that sentence. The connection between
 cowardly and falling backwards doesn't make sense.
 
 He could be disappointed that his son be so clumsy after everything he's 
been 
 through in the name of his son's training that he was moved to tears... or 
 something like that.
	Ok. I'll either reword it or change it all together.
 
 
 >>  Romance-wise, I'm curious to know how you intend to play out Ranma and
 >>  Nabiki's feelings for each other. I don't think you can leave Ranma the
 >>  social dummy with Nabiki as a partner. She would have helped him for
 >>  sure... if only to spare herself embarrassment.
 >Ranma and Nabiki's feelings will be more played up in the revision. 
 >And also he'll still be Ranma even with Nabiki's influence, just not as 
much.
 
 No need to overplay them either though. After ten years of being together, 
 they would have a strong bond that allows them to have absolute confidence 
 in each other. The words are no longer necessary. On top of that, I don't 
know
 how much Nabiki is for showing affection (publicly). I can imagine that 
Genma 
 has been beating the concept of manliness into Ranma, so he probably 
wouldn'
t 
 do anything publicly either. Often, a meaningful look will be more than
 enough.
 
 In private though... it's fair game. If you start squeezing lemons into 
this 

 fic, give fair warning. ^_^
 
	Ok, I'll be sure not to overplay it and if there's a lemon scene 
it'll be written in a way I can send it seprately, so you can skip it and not 
worry about plot.
 
 Final note:
 A scene where Nabiki come to Ranma's rescue (in some way) would be really 
 different. I'm a strong advocate for original ideas.
 
 I can see him take a hit, and Nabiki catches him before he hits: the 
ground, 

 the koi pond, whatever. Could make for a cute scene, if inadvertently.
	Hmm, I think I like it. : ) So, expect Nabiki to rescue Ranma 
sometime...
 
 
 >	Ok, thanks for the C&C it shall be very useful. 
 Anytime.
 
	Thanks again. BTW at the suggestion of rgorman@telusplanet.net 
Nabiki's curse will be changing slightly. She'll still be male though.

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