--- Anand Rao <deranged_otaku@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Hitomi's reply to the list.
Hello, Hitomi.
Hi, Anand and Hitomi.
First, Batman is a lot better than a lot of people
think. In the
comic books, he spent several YEARS travelling the
world in order to
learn martial arts. All types of exotic techniques
that would beat
out ANY that Ranma learned, even at the end of the
series. He >started
his crusade, in the comics when he was 35.
Okay, let's talk about stats here for a minute...
According to the DC
heroes database, which, in turn, is based on the
abilities the
characters possess in the comics, states that Batman
has a strength
level that is at maximum human level. Ranma would
easily be the same,
wouldn't you say? The things he's been able to
block, break, or smash
with his fists alone accounts for that.
As for martial arts, Batman *is* a master. However,
he has never once
used a ki-based attack. I don't believe he's ever
thrown 100+ punches
in a matter of a few seconds. I don't think he can
jump from the ground
to a roof top with out the help of the bat
cable/line thing. Ranma has
done this. Of course, this is *canon* Ranma, so
perhaps it doesn't
apply here.
I have to agree that, as far as I know, Batman
never used the likes of ki blasts or Kachuu Tenshin
Amaguriken.
He seems to rely partially to his equipments
in his adventures, while Ranma frequently uses nothing
other than his body. Notice that I said FREQUENTLY, not
NEVER.
I could accept the authors' justification about
Batman's power level, though, since this is BOTH a
crossover and an alternate universe, not to mention
that it takes place in volume 15, where Ranma isn't
as strong as he is at the end of R1/2. Given those, it
seems logical that Bruce is better than Ranma.
If it's a straight martial arts duel (without
any of Batman's nifty tools) between CANON Bruce
and Ranma, though, my money would be on the pigtailed
casanova.
agent of MI6. In the Ninja storyline, he learned
to kill with just >a
touch, although he never used the technique himself.
Remember, >among
his skills is the ability to seemingly disappear in
seconds. >That's
something Ranma does NOT know.
Yeah, the ninja storyline was cool, as was the
follow up. What do you
mean, by 'disappear in seconds' , btw? (Curiosity
speaking, not a
criticism)
I would mention Umisenken, but then it hasn't
happenned here, so I won't. But I would like to point
out that Ranma can easily learn to disappear, if given
proper motivation.
By the way, you never mention Hiryu Shoutenha
in this story... Was that altered as well?
In the first chapter of this story, Jessica had put
down Bruce was a
STUDENT of Cologne. If he was a student, and for a
longer time, of
the same person who is training Ranma, who do YOU
think would be
better? It would not be Ranma from where I sit.
Certainly, but the premise alone stretches the realm
of believability a
bit. Why would Cologne train him? Did Bruce defeat
one of her great
grand daughters as well? As for training him longer,
you state later
that Bruce was her student for 6 months. How long
has Ranma been
training with Cologne at the time of the fic?
This is the #1 justification on Bruce being
stronger than Ranma. While it is my belief that Ranma
is in Cologne's class at the end of R1/2, he definitely
isn't in Wishbringer time frame.
I have to agree on Anand with the question of
WHY Cologne would train Bruce, though. Hopefully there
will be an explanation at later chapters.
Also, as to Nabiki's intelligence, and her ability
to make money. I
don't think ANY of you know the cost of living over
here, so please
refrain from doing a price comparison based upon
what you have in
America. Also, considering that she is virtually
the SOLE support >of
the Tendo Dojo, AND given how much the upkeep is on
land, the >cost of
wood, and so on, I would suggest a number of you
revise your >estimates
of how much she makes.
How could Nabiki make that much money?
Okay, I have a question. Is there an anime or manga
reference that
states that Nabs supports the family? If so, all
well and good. If
not, don't be surprised at people commenting on it.
That really goes
with any assumption you make. You may not be wrong,
but if there's no
proof that you're right, people will call you on it.
I have lived in Japan during part of my
childhood, and in my opinion, what Nabiki makes IN
CANON just doesn't seem to be enough to support the
whole Tendos and Saotomes. If anything, Nabiki seems
to mooch off at her father's expense.
Please note that it has been years since I have
left Japan, and I only visit it every year or two, so
I'm NOT claiming my opinion to be that of a professional.
The idea that Nabiki supports the family
financially stems from many fan's befuddlement at how
the Tendo Dojo keeps afloat. Aside from one anime
episode where Tendos and Saotomes try to attract
students to the dojo, few evidences are available in
the original.
So can Nabiki support her family if she wanted
to? Maybe. DOES she support her family? If it's in
original, probably not. But if it's a fanfic, well, I'm
all for artificial license. That's the purpose of
fanfics, isn't it? To entertain other fans with your
creativity.
personally think a LOT of you owe an apology to
Jessica for claiming
you know her story better than she does. It seems
funny to me that
everyone considers the author is the LAST person to
know what she is
writing.
I don't think people were claiming to know her story
better, but I'm
fairly sure they were claiming to know *Ranma*
and/or *Batman* better.
I mean, as readers of fanfiction, our only basis for
offering C&C is
grammar, a logical premise, enjoyment, and how well
things stick to
*canon*
Now, if you don't care about keeping things in
canon, why worry about
comments concerning canon?
The point many people seem to be missing is
that "Ranma's Father" is both a crossover and an
alternate universe. Both genres allow relatively large
changes. Things would be completely different if this
is Ranma 1/2-only and a continuation of the original.
Jessica and Hitomi, I hope my comments were
more helpful and polite than those that ticked you
off. And Anand, thanks for many good points you made. ^_^
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