Subject: Re: [FFML] Gargoyles/Ranma xover: power levels
From: "skychan, skywise?" <skywise@m4.sprynet.com>
Date: 6/20/1998, 9:35 PM
To: Adam Brown
CC: ffml@fanfic.com
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skychan@sprynet.com

(This does not include Cologne or Happy, we all know they're at the top :)
heh, well I saw this listy thingy here and I just felt like I would 
have to add in my two cents as well.
 
1. Ranked by strength
brute force strength I assume.
 
a) Ryoga              Ryoga
b) Patricia            Patricia
c) Ranma             Ranma
d) Shampoo         Shampoo (almost equal with ranma)
e) Ukyo               Mousse (also almost equal with ranma) 
f) Genma             Genma 
g) Mousse           Kuno
h) Kuno               Akane
i) Akane              Ukyou
j) Kodachi           Kodachi
here I think I would disagree a bit  
the major ones being ukyou's strength.  She is never portrayed as all 
that strong.  While on the other hand genma and mousse have both been 
known to go head to head with ranma in strength contests as well as 
cause equivilent property damage.  Kuno (in the earlyer parts) is 
recognized for being particularly strong and I belive has an edge on 
akane.  She is portrayed as very strong as well and thats why I put 
her above ukyou. kodachi :) well she doesnt appear all that much so 
its hard to say realy.  
next list

2. Ranked by speed

a) Ranma        Female Ranma  then ranma
b) Patricia       Mousse
c) Ryoga         Kodatchi
d) Ukyo          Shampoo
e) Shampoo    Patricia (around shampoos level I would say)
f) Mousse      Ryoga
g) Genma       Ukyou
h) Kuno         Genma
i) Kodachi      Kuno
j) Akane         Akane
I had some majorly differnt opinions than you here.  Ill tell you 
why.  If you watch mouse fight he is much faster than ryouga and 
almost as fast as male ranma.  He can easily, and on many occations 
duplicates and surpasses kunos boken strikes and if the fist of the 
white swan means anything to you(too fast to be seen) then you start 
to get where Im coming from. Kodatchi's one main abilty is in speed, 
again see the strike of a 1000 clubs and other varios technicqus she 
uses, although thats about all she has going for her.    Shampoo is 
pretty darn quick, and I would say very fast, in my opinion faster 
than ryouga.  A judgement call I will admit, though I would point out 
the speed she swings her bonbori around at for proof, (also proof for 
her strength levels :) Thats also where I would put patricia as this 
is considerably faster than normal humans while still manageing to 
see the limbs moveing while they fight. Then comes ryouga and after 
him Ukyou and Genma.  Though they arnt slouches They dont have the 
same kind of speed that the others in the series have.  (incidendly 
why didnt you include soun on thease lists?  he is a pretty good 
fighter too) After them come kuno and the worlds slowest (in nerema 
anyway) martial artist akane. :)
  
 
3. Ranked by endurance/ability to take damage:
 
a) Ryoga        Ryoga
b) Ranma       Mousse (for shampoo) Patricia
c) Patricia      Ranma
d) Shampoo  Kuno
e) Ukyo        Mousse 
f) Mousse    Shampoo
g) Genma     Genma
h) Kuno       Ukyou
i) Kodachi    Akane
j) Akane       Kodachi

for one thing when mousse is taking it for shampoo, hell get up after 
20 mac trucks but thats the exeption not the rule.  I would rank 
almost every gargoyle over ranma despite his endurance Gargoyles are 
made tough, ranmas just trained to be.  Then I would put kuno, true 
hes not very impressive as a fighter but as a side effect hes got a 
great recover rate and its gotten better as the world progreess, see 
the second movie as evidence.  went through that wall how many times 
still wanting to fight? Then I would place mousse at his normal 
operating levels  he is more used to abuse than shampoo who doesnt 
get hit all that often and has been known to go down from not all 
that impresive hits.  ie a bonbori to the head fallen a foot(despite 
the plot device that it was.  Then the rest of the cast somewhat fall 
down into an order, Genma I think would retain somewhat from his 
training if not all.  and the others follow him.  

4. Ranked by fighting skill.  
ah the truely contrivertial one. 
Note: I have not included Patricia's ability to use magic in the chart.

a) Ranma         Ranma
b) Ryoga         Mousse
c) Mousse       Ryoga
d) Shampoo    Genma
e) Ukyo          Shampoo
f) Genma         Ukyou
g) Kuno           Kodatchi
h) Kodachi      Kuno
i) Akane          Akane
j) Patricia        Patricia
note this is a list of fighting skill.  Mousse is a much better 
fighter than ryoga,  ryoga can fight ranma do to his strength and 
endurance.  Mousse has on several ocations outfaught ranma untill 
hindered by loss of glasses or other outside force.  He is able to 
hold his own in man to man fights.  See the major fights over shampoo 
at the begining when he arives and later when he returns as a duck. 1
 Further evidence is when he teams up with ryouga to beat on ranma 
hes doing fine untill you add ryouga, he was beating ranma fine by 
himself.  Also when going to recruit ryouga he faught him to a 
standstill as well.  a last bit is that in the chrismas specal he was 
beating both ryouga and kuno before all three landed in the pond.  
even ranma has lost when they team up on him. On the shampoo vs ukyou 
I have to go with shampoo as she has been specificaly training her 
whole life, ukyou only for most of it.  ukyou is known to have 
defeated genma, there is that though if genma got back in shape he 
would whoop the ass out of just about all of them Thats why he is 
rated so high, this is skill level not overall aplication.  sides he 
does drench ranma regularly every morning.  Kodatchi is much more 
skilled than kuno as she has actual stratgys and adapts, kuno has his 
very limited set things he does well and nothing seems to ever 
change.  Then comes of course our favorite Akane, who would probably 
whoop just about every normal martial artist on the planet, sad that 
shes so low eh?  
If I included her ability to use magic, Patricia might be at (h) or maybe
even (g).  Magic, used properly, can be a *big* edge. :)
I would put her at g with magic.  Beyond that though no farther.  
 
Thank you very much for all the input.  I hope you enjoy this post and hope
it gives people some good ideas for fics.
hehe I notice you didnt put in a compilation list of who would win 
overall :)

A Ranma (gota hand it to that boy hes good)
A2 Mousse (when fighting for shampoo)
B Ryouga (skill and strength can take you far) 
C Mousse (hes very very good, and overlooked far too often.)
D Genma (Good, experienced, too bad hes a slouch and lets it slide)
E Shampoo (strenght, skill, years training  what more do you need)
F Ukyou  ( is a match for shampoo need more?)
G Patrica ( is a gargolye useing magic after all)
H Kodatchi (is a lunatic but a good fighter)
I Kuno (a disturbing man, if imaginitive the world would tremble.)
J Akane (poor girl at the botom despite being absurdly good)

explanations.  ranma well duh.  Ryouga, :) again duh. Mousse, as I 
said mainly because he is almost a match for ranma however overlooked 
he is.  Genma, when he tries hes good, and splashes ranma every 
morning.  Shampoo lifetime worth trainng with cologne, Ukyou, very 
motivated and beet genma once.  I cant see any of the others beating 
Patricia in a fight hence her location, kodatchi gives ranma much 
more trouble than kuno hence she beets him and kuno (if not actualy 
fighting akane) is better than her.  

"Shade and sweet water" Skychan

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http://wwwacn.cornell-iowa.edu/~KSCHULTZ/my.htm

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