Subject: Re: [FFML] [FF][Ranma][TOP/TIL] Definitions of Hell
From: Sebastian Weinberg
Date: 12/9/1997, 1:10 PM
To: Fanfic Mailing List


Mina-san, Ohayou!

On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Talswapper wrote:

: A few thoughts on DOH, which was a blast to read:

It was, at that.  I've read the shorter versions several times,
but it was still great to re-read it, looking for changes and
enjoying the unchanged.


: - the opening made me think that this story was going to be some kind of self-
: parody.  The tone seems tongue-in-cheek, and the physical appearance of the
: monster was a little too "Hollywood."

Perhaps, but at least it was not kept as vague as in earlier
drafts.

: Adding a sense of foreboding to the
: scene might diminish the shock value of what follows, but it might be
: appropriate to make the monster more disturbing.  A human form, with human
: death throes, could fit the bill.

Perhaps.  But the monster is really but the MacGuffin to get the
*real* story rolling, thus I can understand a bit of negligence
here.


: - it's very unusual for a woman to do any non-emergency flying in the late
: stages of pregnancy, particularly transoceanic flights.  Airlines typically
: have policies against it, for the obvious reason that getting on a long flight
: when you're due any day is pretty risky.  Since it's not important to the
: story for Ranma-TOP to have been in Australia, it would be sensible to keep
: her travels domestic.

Hmmm.  I can see how this would seem somewhat unrealistic, but it
adds a great deal to the sense of symmetry that pervades the
story.  I'd be loath to see it go.  Also, wasn't her pregnancy one
of the *reasons* she attended the conference?  I forget.


: - the scene featuring Akane-TOP really freaked me out.  First of all, it
: seemed a very ignoble thing for her to do, putting Ranma through all that pain
: for her own benefit. 

Perhaps.  But it was still a very necessary confrontation.  Even
if she did it all for her own sake (which I don't believe) and
even if it had not helped Ranma figuring out what to do, it would
still have been necessary.  Akane is far to big a part of TILma's
life for him not to meet her counterpart at least once.  Without
this scene the story would lack something vital.


: The insightful "gift" she gives him in return strikes me
: as unnecessary.  Ranma-TIL is a few years into his mystical-troubleshooting
: career.  His instincts and problemsolving skills should have by now developed
: at least to the point where he could figure out for himself the value of
: "going back to where it all started." 

I don't really think so.  I got the impression that this was still
rather early in his troubleshooting career, and given his
character, it came as no surprise to me that he needed a sounding
board to figure out what to do next.  It could have been Kentaro
or his father, or anyone - but it was Akane, and that's okay with
me.


: Secondly, beginning in The Nature of
: Love, Akane-TOP became terribly verbose, her moments in the spotlight reading
: like scholarly essays.  She hasn't gotten over this little problem yet.

Heh, yes, she came down with LLSS (Lawson's Longwided Speech
Syndrome), and it has become chronic.  A little breaking up the
speech with reaction shots and small responses works wonders,
usually.  One only has to remind Richard of it.  :)


: - I was gratified that the two Ranmas were able to meet and fight side-by-
: side.  But I wonder if you couldn't do something more with such an incredible
: scene, in which a person converses with himself.  Might not such a
: conversation sound much more unusu?  Maybe there would be a lot of finishing
: each other's sentences.  Perhaps the two would speak with a kind of
: "shorthand," communicating complex ideas with spare words. 

No.  One of the *points* of the fic is that the two Ranma's are
very different, even though they are the same person.  Shorthand
communication or finishing each other's sentences would not be
possible.


: The reference to a
: significant, secret memory was a nice touch.  Stay with that a little more:
: perhaps Ranma-TOP could mention other memories as "evidence" for her case, but
: do so in a shorthand manner (i.e., no explanations for the benefit of the
: audience). 

*That* is a *good* suggestion.  TOPma could be throwing out
examples, which TILma has to admit each time, with increasing
agitation.

TOPma:  The Lamp Festival.

TILma:  Yes.

TOPma:  The Take-out Food Race.

TILma:  Okay!

TOPma:  The Ice-cream parlor

TILma:  All Right!

TOPma:  The Beach.

TILma:  I couldn't help that!

TOPma:  [smiles]  But you *did* enjoy it.

TILma:  [pauses; quietly]  Yeah.  I did.


: It might also be interesting to replace, in this scene, the
: individual-perspective narrative that is typical of Lawson fics, with
: something that captures both their perspectives, or neither's.

Both may be a bit tricky if he doesn't want to get confusing, and
neither would be a bit too remote for such an involving scene.
Most of all, it is TILma who is forced to gain some personal
insight in this scene, thus I think that the symmetry must be
sacrificed at this point in favour of some introspection into him.


: Everything else flowed very nicely for me.  I especially appreciated the scene
: featuring Ranma's parents and Ranko.

I loved thatone.  The flow could be a bit better, though,
particularly in the order of scenes around that point.


Sebastian
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