Subject: Re: [FFML] Greetings/Familiarity in Japan..?
From: bastian@enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de (Sebastian Weinberg)
Date: 5/14/1997, 5:31 AM
To: Fanfiction ML

On Sun, 11 May 1997 12:10:04 -0400 (EDT) StarFurie wrote:

: In a message dated 97-05-10 22:11:59 EDT, you write:
: 
: << At 08:58 PM 5/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
:  >
:  
:  >So far as I know, there's -sempai, -san, -sama, -kun, -chan, etc., but you
:  >probably already know that.
:  >
:  >BTW, "-chan" isn't capitalized, and neither are all of the other prefixes.
:  >_______________________________________________________________________
:  
:  
:  Thanx... I do know most of those, but what confuses me is which of them is 
:  more or less "familiar" than the others... such as, is 'sempai' more
:  intimate than 'chan'?  And, which are used for addressing males or
:  addressing females?
:  
:  Coutuva. >>
: 
: I'll tell you the ones I know
: 
: -san:  A general term of respect like Mr./Ms./Mrs./Miss.  Placed at the end
: of the family name.

Not necessarily the family name.  Think of Ryouga's "Akane-san"


: -sama:  A more formal version of -san.  Denotes more respect.

A lot of it.  Be careful when using it, or it might be taken as
sarcasm, just as you don't "sir" everybody.


: o-:  Another term of respect, used at the beginning of nouns.  Can be used
: with -san or -sama.

As witnessed in "O-kyaku-san" or "o-nee-chan".  Ranma calls Nabiki
"nee-chan" without the "o-", and Kodachi calls Tatewaki
"o-nii-sama" - even while she's beating or poisoning him. <boggle>


: -kun:  Term used for boys.

<BZZZT>  Not true.  It seems to be used *more often* for boys, but
there is no direct relationship between the suffix and the gender.
Kunou calls Akane "Akane-kun", just as an example.  It is
basically for someone equal or lower in status in the same peer
group.


: -chan:  Term used for, and overused by, girls.  This can also note someone
: you like.

Again, no direct relation to gender.  It isn't often used for
boys, because it has an association of "cuteness" to it.  As far
as I know, its origin is a childlike slurry pronounciation of
"-san".  For example, Kumon Ryuu can be seen calling his father
"Otou-chan" in a flashback.  Ukyou calls Ranma "Ran-chan".

The use of "-kun" and "-chan" for boys and girls is just a rule of
the thumb, sometimes used in learning japanese, that has been
taken a bit too far in the western fanfic genre.


: Family terms:
: 
: okaa-san:  Mother

These terms change, depending on whether you speak about your
own family, or someone elses, and whether you speak *to* them or
*about* them to someone else.

When Ranma talks to his mother (or tries to), he uses "Ofukuro",
for example.


All my examples are from the manga, and I am *definitely* open for
correction, since I am in no way an expert.


Sebastian
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