[snip.]

What I meant was that since Genma stole the yatai, giving the Saotome
family a dept of honour to Ukyou, that Ukyou's destruction of the
Satoome house puts her in a dept of honour to the Saotome family.
Thus they both cancel out.

Cancel each other out? I'm not sure it would work that way. Would they not
merely owe each other debts? Hmm... destruction of the house... that was

Well, the way to cancel Ukyou's dept to the Saotome family - cancel her
engagement to Ranma. The Saotome family cancelling their debt to Ukyou
- give her back a yatai.

at the end of the pill box episodes, wasn't it? From memory, the destruction
of the house was a byproduct from the girls fighting over the box(with the
worthy side-effect of giving Genma a beating), it was not a direct intent, it 
seems that calling it honourless is a bit harsh. But not as harsh as the stuff 

Well, it would have been 'normal' if it was in Tomobiki... But it wasn't,
and so it's not a very honourable thing to do, especially when it was
all to stop Ranma and Akane getting together!

you blurt out below. Anyway, it's obvious we see certain events and 
characterisations differently, I'm not going to vent a spleen worrying about
arguing over it.

Seems like we do, ne?

Well, Ukyou put herself in that position, not Fate. She decided to be a
man for the rest of her life, and she decided to go after Ranma and Genma
to kill them. *shrug* That's her choice, nothing to do with Fate. She
could have delt with what happened better, but she chose not to. So it's
Ukyou's fault.

Fate gave her an engagement that she has had no real sign that it has no hope,
even though we all know that it does not. I was not refering to anything else,
not her dressing as a man(lifestyle choice, doesn't even make me bat an eye)
or her seeking revenge on the Saotomes.

Well, if she hadn't of hunted down Ranma, then it wouldn't have happened.

That's why it was Ukyou's fault - she made it happen. If she had of
been a good girl and not done any revenge seeking and hunting down, then
she wouldn't have suddenly fallen back in love with Ranma because he
called her "cute" twice!

But then, the poor girl was desperate after never having a real boy in
love with her, as she dressed like a man all the time... So if she had
of been a normal girl, then she wouldn't have been engaged to Ranma,
either, because she wouldn't have needed to be loved by a (real) man
so much...

Yes, I could see Ukyou thinking like that ... that doesn't say much for
her, wishing to be an adulterous slut. ;p  But at least we all know that
Ranma wouldn't go for it, because he loves Akane.

You're going to have to do a lot better than that to get me raging, not that
I thought you were really trying. Perhaps if you try 'I could see Ukyou 

Nah, I'm not trying... just teasing a little. That's what the ;p is for!

fornicating with a horse, since it reminds her of Ranma's name'. And if we're 

Hmm... now THAT has merit ..... but only for Shampoo, not Ukyou. ^_~

going into insulting characters here, I could see Akane pushing Ranma away 
from her forever if Ukyou was her mother-in-law, from the inevitable,
unwarranted, insane jealousy that would produce.

Heh... would Akane think that Ranma would go for someone who's been
sleeping with her father? I mean, really! Even Ranma must find something
like that disgusting - getting sloppy seconds??? Even if he WANTED
Ukyou in that way - it's highly unlikely! And Akane would probably just
laugh, especially if she was paying Nabiki to keep an eye on Ukyou!

Plus, since nothing happened while Ukyou was living in the Tendou home...
All it would do, like in the Secret Sauce story, would make Ranma and
Akane get closer! Maybe this time Ranma may actually feel manly when
Akane grabs him to her breast in her sleep (especially if she isn't
pretending!).....

Kun-chan...
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