Oh, I see. So hypothetically if I were to call you a "sniveling little
Tsubasa-esque fanboy", putting in lots of smilies would make it all
right? No. What you said was offensive, and I have taken offense.
Well, if you want to take it that way, fine. I won't be the one
getting an ulcer.
I mentioned my ignorance of the later manga simply so people would *know* that
my opinions did not take into account all possible information. FAR from
claiming to be all-knowing, I *admitted* my lack of knowledge so people could
weight what I said accordingly.
True, in _this_ post you did, but I have seen other posts of yours
where you didn't.
Awww... perhaps every C&C post should include a 10-page disclaimer on
the subject.
Your words, not mine.
How DARE you accuse me of disdain for the later manga?
I didn't.
You did. See above.
_NO_, I _DIDN'T_.
The manga can be mail-ordered from places like the UCI Bookstore
(http://www.book.uci.edu/anime.html) and Nikaku Animart.
I'll check this out.
Translations for most of the later manga are available on the net.
URL, please. The ones I've found only do selected chapters.
http://www.wot-club.org.uk/RanmaFAQ/
Here, translations of all of the manga after 20 (except for 21, 22,
and 38) are kept.
Seriously, though, you've been bonking other authors over the head
over portrayals of Ukyou in C&C. I think this is out of line
Commenting on characterization is not out of line. I do not force authors to
accept what I say. I do not attack them personally for what they say. That is
what's out of line.
As I believe I said before, that was an outburst of humor, not a
personal attack.
And as I have said, offense is taken, whether you like it or not.
Cool.
Which I admitted. I do note that you have given no examples from the later manga
to support your position, though. So no one who hasn't read all the source
material has the right to comment on characterizations? Is that what you're
saying?
No, but I would say that anyone who comments on the characterizations
of Ukyou or Mousse while only having read what Viz has translated is
treading on thin ice. (Mousse flip-flops between murderous and nice,
and I don't think Viz has translated any 'nice Mousse' stuff yet.)
Okay, let's take a poll here. All Ranma fanfic authors who *don't* want
me to comment on characterization in their fics due to my not having
read all the later manga, E-mail Sean <connor@meena.cc.uregina.ca> and
myself <kleppe@execpc.com> and say so. Do not send these mails to the
fanfic list, as this is obviously going to generate a never-before-seen
torrent of mail. (Yes, that's sarcasm.)
Yeah. I think I smell a pollcat here somewhere. :)
Yes, Ukyou and Akane could both be described as 'violent'. However,
Thank you. You've just admitted the point I was making. They are both violent.
I don't remember ever saying otherwise.
Then why the hell are you getting on my case for making this same
point??
That wasn't what I was getting on your case about. My points were:
- Be careful about C&Cing characterizations when you don't know all
of the source material (This does _not_ mean don't do it, it means
be careful about it. Use protection. :)
- Ukyou is _less_ violent than Akane. (This does _not_ mean that
there not both violent, and says nothing of any of their other
strengths and weaknesses.)
there is evidence that Ukyou is much less violent than Akane.
Present this evidence, please. (Particularly the evidence for "much".)
The 'Secret Sauce' story from Manga 18 is particularly interesting in
this regard. It's available from the Ranma Project
(http://www.vrg.utoronto.ca:80/~doyama/ranma/) as Phase 7.
(Thanks to you and to Joseph Sutedja for pointing out this great site,
BTW.)
Okay, I've read it, what is it supposed to prove?
The point on contention here, I believe, was that Ukyou is less
violent than Akane.
It does show some of
Ukyo's good qualities: she's ultimately dedicated to her work, and she's
perceptive (a rare quality among these guys). It also shows some of her
worst ones: she's willing to connive and scheme to be with Ranma,
True enough.
and
though she clearly knows he doesn't like the idea, she doesn't seem to
care in the slightest.
I beg to differ here. Because of Ranma's actions, which lead from
the fact that he wants to cover his butt for ruining the sauce 10
years ago, he projects the distinct impression that he really does
love her. Akane's jealous outbursts and Souun's remonstrations give
the impression that the Tendou's are forcing the engagement with
Akane down Ranma's throat. So far from clearly knowing that Ranma
doesn't like the idea, she is actually given good reason to believe
just the opposite.
This is a long LONG way from the ultra-nice Ukyo
that you see in certain fanfics.
It was presented as evidence for the relative level of violence
between Ukyou and Akane.
Certain events that contribute to that 'ultra-nice' characterization
include:
- Ukyou putting up the temporarily homeless Tendous in the Gambling
King story, Manga 15
- Ukyou unhesitatingly rushing to help Otchan in the Cursed Spatula
story, Manga 30
- Volunteering at a temple, Manga 33
- Taking in Konatsu, Manga 35
- Forgiving Konatsu after he screws things up royally, Manga 36
- Sean Connor (connor@meena.cc.uregina.ca)
"It jams." - Intel TV ad, referring to the Pentium chip.