[INLINE] Telemarketer Tormenting Techniques [INLINE] Disclaimer: The methods seen below are extremely funny, but will not guarantee that a telemarketer will never call you back again. In the USA the only way to guarantee that a telemarketer won't call again (for 1 year anyway) is to have them add you to their 'do not call' list. Read more info on this in "Facts You Should Know" Have another telemarketer abuse method you'd like to add? Mail it to me! ______________________________________________________________________ To find a tactic aimed at a specific kind of telemarketer, click on the corresponding link General: All or most telemarketers - the big list Insurance Telemarketers Telephone Companies Credit Cards Furnace/Carpet/etc... Cleaning Newspapers Charity Collecting Scum Free Prizes! Telephone Surveys photography studios Frozen Meats Cool stuff from my mail box ______________________________________________________________________ Insurance * If an insurance company calls trying to sell you insurance, act very surprised and delighted. Say, "You want to sell me insurance? I've been trying to get insurance for YEARS but nobody will sell me any!" * One called trying to sell me accidental death and dismemberment insurance. I said "oh my god that's awful, is something going to happen to me?" After she got me calmed down, I asked if my dogs could be beneficiaries. After consulting with someone else I was told no. I then said "Well whos going to look after my dogs if I die?" She didn't know and she hung up. -Peter J Guard * Do you do retro-claims? Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ Newspapers * When a newspaper calls wanting you to subscribe, listen to all they have to say and sound real excited about getting it. Ask to be put on the list for the braille edition. -Doug Stacy * I already subscribe to your newspaper, and I only use it to line the bottom of my birdcage. You should see the patterns polly likes to make on them! My dog likes to fetch it too, have you seen that movie with that guy that was on the front page of the paper the other day? I seen it and it was pretty dumb. (ramble on and on until they hang up... then call them back if you can and continue with your conversation) * Finally! I've been waiting for this moment for a long time! What page am I going to be on? I always knew you were going to put me in the newspaper!! Wait... I need to call a couple of friends to tell them to get a copy. What day are you coming over to take my picture? Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ Credit Cards * I got a call once trying to sign me up for a credit card. I kept them on the phone until the lady suggested that I get one for my wife. I replied "Heck no she spends like a senator". I then began an argument with a non-existant wife. Basically the telemarketer hear something like. Yes I'm talking about you. No I am not getting a card for her. We've already been over this. Look at least I had the dignity to take the baby-sitter to a motel, but no you had to do the pool guy in our own bedroom. And then there was the lawn guy." * If it's a brassy women asking for my wife, I tell her that my wife is not permitted to talk to strangers. They usually get real indignant. * Surrealist Anti-Telemarketing The other day I received a call from a credit card company. The paraphrased text of the conversation follows: TM: Hello, is Mr. Messersmith home this evening? Me: This is Mr. Messersmith. TM: Hello, this is Credit Card company X sir, how are you this evening? Me: Well, I'm having an existential crisis at the moment. TM (after a rather long pause): Oh, is that bad? Me: I think I'm getting over it. My wife just reassured me that I do, indeed, exist, so I think I'll be alright as long as I don't see anymore cockroaches. TM (very unsure of himself): Thats good. I find it useful to think about what Salvador Dali would say to a telemarketer. I look at it as a form of artistic expression on my part. -messersmith * (them) Hello, would you like a No-risk credit card... blah blah blah.... (you -make sure the telemarketer dosen't interrupt you when you say this) Well, no. But my pet parrot would sure like one, He wants to fly to Jamaica for a month this Winter and it's a little hard for him to carry a lot of cash. His name is Polly, You can send it to this address. He will be expecting it this week, Thank You! *click* Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ Free Prizes! * I got a call once telling me that I had won some coupon book, "free for only $29.95". All I had to do was telling them what nationally famous product was adverstised by the slogan "Good to the last drop". My answer of "Otis Elevator" did not make me a winner. * Did you win something!? 99.99% of the time the REAL answer is NO. Play with their mind. I won $100,000.00 ? Well, just send it to me in cash. Otherwise I don't have time for your chump-change offers, I make more than that in a day. Or, if you have won a free trip to Florida or the Bahamas,(another popular scam) Say to them, Do you mean I have to leave my house? NOOOOOOOO! Not the sunlight, Are you INSANE? Listen for their reply. Keep them going. Back to the top _________________________________________________________________ Telephone Companies * With telephone companies: I hope that they call every 5 months so that I can keep receiving the 40% discounted rates. I usually comment about how my current company sent me a check for $50. They will usually match that amount and I will switch. It keeps the money coming in and the long distance rates down. -anonymous * Try this one; The Next time AT&T, MCI, Sprint, etc. calls, listen to their opening spew, and tell them with great enthusiasm "That sounds GREAT!, wait... can you hold for a minute?....." Leave the phone off the hook until they hang up. I've heard that AT&T held for 13 minutes on someone. How's THAT for turning the tables on the phone company! Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ Charity collecting scum * Have you ever had someone call you, and ask you to donate to the "BFE Association of Fire-Fighters/Police/etc."? Ask them this: Are you a fireman? (If not...) Are you in anyway affiliated with the Fire Dept.? More than likely the real answer is NO, other than collecting money for them. If they do say yes, 99% of the time they are lying. My wife got suckered about 2 years ago by those bastards; when the bill came, I didn't pay it. I think they sent one notice afterwards. I suggest you do the same if they ever get you. * "You are collecting for the hungry third world countries starving kids? You know what... Why dosen't that cameraman on those commercials give the little bastards some food! I bet he packs a lunch for his day of work to videotape starving kids!" Back to the top _________________________________________________________________ Cleaning Companies * Here's one I did last night, Allied Comfort (a furnace cleaning organization) calls me and offers a furnace cleaning for $19.95 (why not just say $20?). I told her "Are you kidding? I dont have a furnace, I live in a box!" Sounding a bit puzzled, the telemarketer responds "an office?".. No! I said I live in a box! (telemarketer laughs hysterically then hangs up on me) * Do you get goat's blood out? * (tm) "Hi! Would you like a free furniture cleaning ? All you have to do is listen to our sales pitch at the end.... " (you) Yeah, sure... My uncle freddy died on the couch last week while we were on vacation, and after they came to pick him up, the smell was so bad.... we still can't get it out! Can you get it out? come on over here is my address..... Back to the top __________________________________________________________________ General * I must have gotten 50 submissions on this one alone!.... "I'm sorry but I'm really busy right now. Why don't you give me YOUR HOME number and I'll call you back later tonite...say midnight...Hello?" * Listen long enough to hear what is being sold (for instance, a subscription to the LA Times), thenpolitely ask"Would you believe I (or my spouse) work at the LA Times The LA times has thousands of employees and the telemarketers are low-wage, part-time employees who have no way to verify this. submitted by Rodger J. Mansfield * We have a friend who is less tactful, who simply bellows, "Get a REAL JOB!". -Jonathan Rolfe * "Sorry, Mr. . . . If I can't eat it, I don't need it!" * When one of these misfit telemarketing people try to sell me a product, I let them run through the whole speel asking them to repeat many times and I show distinct interest all the way through aksking them to tell me more about what they just told me. At the end when they say "What do you think?" I ask them what color it comes in? They usually enthusiastically let you know and I say, "well.....that's no good, I would love to have one but it has to be metallic red!!!! (or any other obscure color you know they won't have)" You re-inforce your interest but INSIST it must be the obscure color they don't have. IT CAN and IS Fun...You get to a point where you HOPE one will call you after a bad day at work as it can give you a chuckle and cheer you up for the night. From: Richard K Leah * Between 5:00 p.m. and 8:30 p.m., I will answer the phone in the sweetest little 3-year-old girl's voice I can. When they ask to speak to "my parent," I say "No!" really mean and hang up. Once I said that they weren't there, and the caller asked me how old I was. I told her I was 3. She then started asking me lots of questions about being home alone. So I told her that I had a babysitter. Then she asked to speak to the baby sitter. It took me a minute to surpress my laughter and change my voice. I won't use that one again. Since I have such an unusual first name (Greysen and I am female), any telemarketer also tips his/her hand when they call by asking for Greysen Fleming or Mr. Greysen Fleming. So I tell them he's not home and they quickly hang up. When my husband answers, he tells them I'm not home, unless he really wants to play with their heads and make them do their entire speech, only for him to say no. - GD fleming * (tm) "Hello, is Mr. or Mrs. so and so available?"... (you)"Yes, what would you like to speak to them about?"...(tm)"We'd like to offer them this very special offer for . . . etc."...(you)"Ok, but before you continue . . . do you have a pencil"...(tm)"Yes . . .??"...(you)"Then write this 5000 times: 'I promise never to call this number again!" (then hang up). * Here's how one of my co-workers got rid of telemarketers; When asked for his credit card number, he would say "OK" and then start giving them a long string of digits, in no way related to a credit card number. A real credit card number has 16 digits, I guess, but he would keep going way past that, and the poor telemarketer kept recording the digits. -fuhr@aa.net * I just found your page and believe me - it is about time someone vocalized a clear opinion against Telemarketers. Here's how I deal with them: I let them get about 1/2 way through their sales pitch and ask questions, pretend to be interested, express my true 'NEED' for their product...then I switch modes and try to sell them something myself. It doesn't matter what exactly - houseplants, books, heck..sell them your cat! It really confuses them when you turn the tables on them - and if you are particularly annoyed (and have the ability) - when they hang up on your - call 'em back and continue like nothing happened! -Wade Hamel * My husband loves to mess with the telemarketer's heads by telling them when they ask for me that I died in the last month or so and (in a sobbing, sad voice) that he wished that people would stop calling and asking for me since it brings back all the sad memories. It tends to stop them cold. -Beth Gray * "I'm very interested in your program. But before I commit to buy, I need one more assurance. Can you guarantee me, in writing, that if I'm not 100% satisfied, you'll kill yourself?" (shocked response from telemarketer) "look, you're asking me to risk my hard-earned money on this, based on your word alone, right? So I think you should stake your life on your claims. If your product isn't everything you say it is, I want you to kill yourself. Could you come out to my house and do it in front of me?" (telemarketer blathers or hangs up. If he/she/it doesn't...) "Well, I'm sorry, I don't see how we can do business. Goodbye." *click* A straight face is vital! * I like to make telemarketers embarrased by acting like, or really taking a crap, and making grunting and straining sounds. It also helps to have a phone near the toilet, or a cordless phone. Do some gruntin' and poopin when they're spewing their trash and drop big wet gobs of toilet paper into the commode. Let out a big sigh like you gave birth to a big poop log. If that dosen't get rid of them, Yell out 'Where the hell is the toilet paper!' and then flush and yell about the toilet overflowing all over the floor. Don't hang up yet! Tell them to hold for a minute (make that 30 minutes). * Just the other day, one called and I let them spew their crap, and I said with a big enthusiastic 'You're never going to believe this, Guess what?' they reply 'what!?' I said 'This is unbelievable!..............I'm gonna hang up on you!!!!' *click* Needless to say they never called me back. * After their pitch, fake a call on the other line; Come back to them in about 20 seconds and tell them "Another telemarketer is selling the same thing on the other line!" continue with.. "I'll tell you what.... whomever can give me the best deal will get my business." If they actually go for it, you might even get a good deal! * If you have the time, *NEVER* just hang up on a telemarketer. Because as soon as you hang up, their little computer dials the next number on the list and someone else gets bothered. Act like you are really listening to them, and occasionally give them an 'uh-huh'. Most of the time they can ramble on for several minutes before they even need feedback from you, so you can just set the phone down and let them do their thing. WASTE AS MUCH OF THEIR TIME AS YOU CAN! * Something my husband did once. Mind you he's 30 years old and has a pretty deep voice. Someone called the house trying to sell something, he let them talk for a few seconds, then interrupted with something along the lines of "...oh I think you need to talk to my mom - she's not here right now" and they fell for it! * A friend has instructed his son to answer the phone with "Friend, family or Telemarketer?". Friends and family generally laugh while telemarketers generally become confused, sputter something and hang up. * When someone who is obviously a telemarketer calls and asks to speak to the man of the house, I cheerfully say "No, you may not." After happily refusing to let them speak to the man of the house, if they try to talk to me instead, I tell them that they may not speak to me either. And then I stop responding. The telemarketer generally then hangs up in confusion and/or frustration. -Bridget * My new tactic for keeping my phone number private and confusing those who have no business finding me is this: Every time I am asked for a phone number I cheerfully give it. But it's not my number. And every month or so I pick a new number (and memorize it for this purpose). I choose business phone numbers, the kind of place that doesn't take kindly to telemarketer's calls and will sometimes threaten legal action against the hapless telemarketer who calls expecting to reach a residential phone. With any luck, the bad information will get into lots of databases. tee-hee ...-Jan * I once got a call from a person asking if I had a security system under the guise that their company could make me a really good deal on one. I wonder how many people answer a question like this without even considering the consequences?. After this telemarketer hungup (and after I had refused to answer any of his questions), it occurred to me that I should contact the police about this. As it turned out, it was a 'legitimate' local outfit but imagine how easily this could have been just anybody preying upon unsuspecting victims. * My wife and I have one planned out for the next call... I'll answer the phone and listen to the telemarketers script, and right in the middle, I'll cue her to scream "Hey, are you gonna **** me or play around on the phone?"... After which, I'll get even more interested into what the telemarketer is telling me and tell her to wait because the deal on the phone is too good to pass up. Meanwhile , I'll yell "Hey, pull my pants back up!".... I'll see how long I can keep the telemarketer on! * Person answers and here comes the sales pitch.....Tell them "I'm glad you called... you know the other night I got this most annoying phone call you wouldn't believe.." (SALES PERSON GETS INTERESTED AND ASK WHAT WAS THAT)....YOUR REPLY... "It was a person from your company I HUNG UP ON... and I wouldn't want to treat you any different!" - submitted by Ray Robicheaux * I pretend to be a person, just fresh off the boat, who can not speak much english. when the person ask for me, I say, mr so an so is working, flying or just about any excuse to be away from the phone. then they ask for mrs so and so, which I reply, oh she with her boyfriend or girlfriend, then I start asking them if they want there house clean or so on, it is a lot of fun * Here's a mean - but effective - technique: Wait for them to finish their opening speel, feign interest, etc. Then when it's your turn to talk say in the most contemptuous voice you muster: "Excuse me, but this is what you wanted to do when you grew up?" * I was at my parents house one evening and the phone rang. Someone was calling for a survey and asked for an adult male. I held the phone a short way from my mouth and yelled, "Is there a male in the house?" After a short while, I said that no one responded. She told me that I sounded like I would do, all that was required was a male over 12 years old that lives in the house. I said that I didn't really live in the house. When she asked the first question, I responded with: "I just heard something outside. Uh... Uh... I am just robbing this house. I really have to be going lady. I think the owners just got home." * Interrupt their sales pitch "Sure I'd be interested in the rest of your sales pitch, only if you listen to me sing first....".. Give them a 20 minute rendition of Jimmy Cracked Corn, or hum the complete music to InnaGaddaDaVida. * T.M. "Hello, is Mr. Smith (one of the other residents, not me) there?" Me "Um, no." T.M. "Well, is Mrs. Smith there?" Me (in a deep voice) "Speaking..." Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ Telephone Surveys * I had some tobacco company call me "to ask a few questions.." I said Sure! .... She went on to ask what type of cigarettes I smoked, I told her I roll my own. Laughingly, she asked what kind I purchased at the store..I told her The"M"brand. How many packs do you smoke in a day? "I gotta say at least 5, I'm a smokin' fiend, It's been that way since I was 7 or so, Me and my pop out at the bar slammin some brewskys... you know 'Male bonding'... "She asked "If your brand were unavailiable at the store, what other brand would you purchase?" My reply.."Other brand nothin! I'd choke the hell outta the clerk and threaten his life if he didn't cough up my brand!" * Whenever I get a call regarding a survey -- anything to what TV shows I watch to who I'll be voting for -- I first ask, "how much are you going to pay me for participating in your survey?" After this, there's usually a long pause on the other end, then usually the answer, "we don't pay you for this." My response, "You're getting paid to ask me the questions. Don't think for a minute that I'll sit here without pay answering your questions." Back to the top _________________________________________________________________ Photography studios * I have gotten several calls from photography studios. My favorite comeback is: I'm afraid I'm not very photogenic. They say that they can make anyone look "glamorous/beautiful/handsome" etc.... I say, Well, I'm currently undergoing Chemotherapy, weigh about 90 lbs and all my hair has fallen out. I also have these hideous purple spotches all over my face.... They have usually either hung up by now, or apologizing profusely. I haven't gotten a call from them in months now. * Can you take a picture of me naked? ______________________________________________________________________ Frozen Meats * This is a nice technique that a friend of mine clued me into... This works on anyone trying to sell frozen meats/foods. You don't >really< need to be Jewish to use this ;-) . Ask the solicitor if the meat they sell is kosher, as you keep a kosher kitchen. VERY seldom will you get much of a response before they hang up (if they're even a bit honest!). This has even worked for us gentiles. ;-) -Paul Hopkins Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ [INLINE] [INLINE] Stuff From My Mailbox [INLINE] _________________________________________________________________ I'm glad I found your site, because I've been wanting to share this with someone. My father has been dead over 11 years, but he found a way to deal with the many telemarketers that were bothering him way back in the '60's...here it is: Let the telemarketer give his spiel. Ask lots of questions--even inane ones. Get them to repeat things they have already tried to tell you 2 or 3 times. Keep them going. Act marginally interested at all times, and try to get them to understand that you are right on the verge of buying. Then, when it seems that they have run out of all their pitches (and this could be 15 minutes or more), tell them, "Well, I really think I am interested in buying {/switching to/whatever you're trying to get me to do with} your product. But I have this problem. I've been ripped off by telemarketing schemes and scams before, so I have made it my policy never to buy (or whatever0 anything over the phone without getting all the information in writing. Could you send me a prospectus through the mail so I can look it over and make my decision?" At this point, the telemarketer normally has another sheet to turn to to explain why he/she can't do that, but this is such a good deal that blah blah blah. Let them give you the complete rundown on that, too. Then tell them your policy again, and normally they'll have another sheet or 2 to go through. Finally, tell them how interested you are in their product/service, and when they finally tell you that they can't send you the info by mail, ask if there isn't a supervisor you can talk to. Most often, there will be. Let the supervisor go through the entire ruckus with you again, and then repeat the process with him or her. Ask for their supervisor. One time this worked so well that I kept the company (telling me I had won a free cruise for only $279.00) on the phone for over an hour, and was transferred from person to person, till finally the supervisor's supervisor's supervisor (or somewhere up that chain of command) HUNG UP ON ME--that was over 6 months ago, and I haven't received another telemarketing call from ANYONE since! (Smell like someone's using the same phone lists?) Give it a try--it's fun, you don't have to lie, and it WORKS!! Thanks for the great website! -Johnny Owens, Jr. Back to the top _________________________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 22:01:44 -0800 From: Lawrence Wallman I've tried your techniques... They really work!!! I have a brand new hobby - torturing telemarketers!! I love it!! ______________________________________________________________________ From Andrew C. Green (acg@dlogics.com) Organization TELECOM Digest In a discussion on joke answering-machine greetings, someone here offered: "Hello! If you are a telemarketer, please press 1 and hang up now. Otherwise please leave a message after the beep." We thought that was pretty funny and put it on our home machine. Sure enough, every now and then some mouth-breather would actually press 1 and hang up; the first time we heard this we practically died laughing. So anyway, one day we get a call, hear the machine play its message, followed by a hangup. Seconds later, it rings again. (This often happens; we decided it's probably the first caller nudging his partner in the next cubicle and saying, "Hey, dial this number and listen!") A glance at the Caller ID shows that it's Pioneer Press, a local newspaper, and ... hey, that's interesting, the _last_ caller was _also_ Pioneer Press, but different extension. Probably the office help stuck making subscription calls after hours. The plot thickens. We listen a bit closer this time. The answering machine does its thing, plays its beep, and we hear someone breathing at the other end. After a moment's thought, they carefully press "1" and hang up. Now, we know why they're calling; our free subscription to their paper is almost up and they want us to subscribe. In actual fact, we want to, so I decide to have a little fun: I punch up the number of the last call on the display and hit the dialback button. One ring ... Two rings ... Three rings ... Four rings ... Starting to wonder if this is really going to -- whoops, here we go! A quavering voice says simply, "Uh, hello?" ME: (booming voice) Well? You _called_ me, didn't you? Was there something you wanted? VOICE: (script rustling in background) Uh, hello, um ... Well, yes, um, I'm a telemarketer, and, um, your message said to press 1, so -- ME: Yes, yes, I'm here, what is it? VOICE: Um, we were wondering how you liked your copy of the ... ME: Yes, it's fine; we'd like a year's subscription, please. Will there be anything else? VOICE: Um, no, thanks ... (valiantly trying to interpret his script backwards since it tells him nothing about incoming calls) Um, can I get your phone number and address please? ME: (exasperated) But you called me, remember? Don't you have it there? VOICE: Um, oh, yes, thank you, you're Mr. Green at (address)? ME: Yes ... VOICE: (relieved; finally found a way to get back on the script) Okay, someone will call to confirm your order in three to five days! Well, they never did call back; they sent us a postcard instead. Too bad; I miss that human touch of personal phone calls. ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ From: Mark Noble Organization: cedarnet To: vnestico@izzy.net Ok don't laugh but im an evil telemarketer and I would say the best way to get rid of us is to rambel in a foriegn language nothing but nothing can be said to you and we give just close and give the TCPA #. On a side note any language will do except pig latan, get creative have fun hell we get paid for self punishment, right...? Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ From: Cyril Gray To: vnestico@izzy.net Subject: Charity Call-"Police sponsored" Had a call this summer from a guy presented by phone as an off-duty cop from xx Div, who supported young and abused kids in trouble. After the spiel I asked him was the usual was and $25.00 was set. He said he would come by within the hour to pick up the "donation". After hanging up I verified with Police that they were not involved in any way, and they said to let them know when he came by. After 1/2 hour, here is this guy at my door, reeking of booze, and I asked for the charity "association" ID. Had none, but said he would go to his car for his personal driver licence. A "real winner"eh! I slipped in the house, called police and they dispatched a car. When he showed me his licence, I delayed to allow police time to arrive, closed my door and said I was going inside for my cheque book. I delayed some more, (he wasn't going to leave with a "hot" one on his hands), and I made 3 "mistakes" writing out my cheque before the cruiser pulled up. With a big smile, I said , "oh here are your buddies", and the last I saw of him, he was hancuffed in the back of the cruiser. Apparently he was wanted for unpaid traffic offences, so it cost him a tow job, and more as they hauled away his car for the unpaid tickets. Don't think he made any other pick-up's that day. Funny but this group hasn't called me back for the donation. Oh well! Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:44:33 -0800 From: AACCESS Organization: AACCESS TECH SUPPORT To: vnestico@izzy.net Subject: Nuke The Telemarketers X-URL: http://www.izzy.net/~vnestico/tactics.html To all victims of Telemarketing Abuse, Being an ex-telemarketer myself, fresh out of therapy and deprogramming, I know the best ways to get them off the line. 1) Sprechen Sie Deutsch? (Or other international variations) 2) Listen to what they have to say. Act really interested. As they go through their speil have a conversation with a pet something like this: TM: And you get all this for only..... YOU: Oh, I'm sorry, my cat's acting up again. (to cat) I told you I'm on the phone. You'll just have to wait. (to caller) I'm sorry, you were saying. TM: The total price is just.... YOU: Wait just a minute. (to cat) Look I'm trying to talk to this nice man/woman and you keep interupting me. I told you, you can talk to (insert caller's name here) when I'm done. No I don't know if he/she is married. Look I'm not here to fix you up.... Get creative. 3) Two words: Voodoo Chants!!!!! I hope these work for you as well as they worked on or for me. Bark. Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 23:48:58 -0500 From: -A- To: vnestico@izzy.net Subject: You are going to hate me..... Well to start off with, I am a telemarketer. But only because it was the only job I could get and still work on my undergraduate degree. I just would just like to say that telemarketers also hate being called at home by other telemarketers (or at least this one does). After reading your list of ways to get back at telemarketers, I would just like to say that I wish the people I called were as inventive as those suggestions were. At least it would make my job interesting :). Back to the top ______________________________________________________________________ Still not enough ? CLICK HERE for 33 more ways from alt.shenanigans _________________________________________________________________ click here to go back to.... The Anti-Telemarketer Source _________________________________________________________________ The Anti-Telemarketer Source: Copyright 1996 Vince Nestico _________________________________________________________________ [LINK] Internet Link Exchange Member of the FREE Internet Link Exchange TradeBanners Member TradeBanners Member