I'm gonna move this off to private e-mail.  Or the to the Shampoo ML, 
where they are more SPAM tolerant.

Frank


On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Lizsue wrote:

On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Frank wrote:

On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Lizsue wrote:

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"Those who refuse to support and defend the state have no claim to 
protection from the state. Killing an anarchist or a pacifist should not 
be defined as murder in a legalistic sense.  The offense against the 
state, if any, should be using deadly weapons inside city limits, or 
creating a traffic hazard, or endangering bystanders, or some other

misdeeamor."

Hey!  Who said pacifists don't support the state?  I'd call wanting to keep 
the state out of war pretty damn supportive.

Not if you're refusing to protect the existence of the state, who's 
protections you claim.

The state exists to serve the people.  The people do not exist to serve the 
state.  If the state does not serve the people - yes, even pacifists - then 
what is the purpose of having a state at all?  

"That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving 
their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form 
of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the 
People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying 
its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, 
as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
                        -Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, 1776

Frank

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