Subject: [FFML] Re: [fanfic][SM crossover] A General Time Paradox - Chapter 2
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Date: 12/12/2000, 11:20 AM
To: Nidoking , ffml@fanfic.com

And sorry in advance if I'm a bit snippant... it's a stressful time for

me, and I tend to be very defensive when I'm stressed. Just a warning.



Good thing you warned. Though stress makes for good darkfic writing.



A General Time Paradox

Chapter 2: A New Class of Evil



    Later that afternoon, five girls and two cats

gathered in the living

quarters of the Cherry Hill shrine to discuss the

events of the day. The

meeting was originally designed to be a study-group

meeting to help

Serena pass her classes, but none of the girls felt

like studying after

their tough battle, even the usually bookish Ami.

Rei had brought in a

tray of cookies, hoping to cheer everyone up, but

only Mina had any high

spirits left. Even the usually relatively cheerful

Lita was down in the

dumps.

@@A nice beginning.

I will say I'm a "purist" about names.

The original Japanese names all had meaning

and were an integral part of the story. MIXING

the Japanese names with the <shudder> Dub names . . .

I'll _try_ not to cringe too often. ^_*





Who's mixing anything? Since I have only seen the American dub, those

are the names I'm using. Serena, Ami, Rei, Lita, Mina... they didn't

change ALL of the names when they dubbed the series, you know. I 

know

better than to mix Japanese and English. I don't even use rather 

common

Japanese expressions like "arigatou" in my fanfiction... it's easier to

Good for you.



just stick with one language or the other.

Mm.



As for the original names, I'm well aware that their meanings were

important, but I'm not familiar enough with those names to trust myself

to use them correctly. I'll slip up somewhere, believe me.



Twitching a bit over "Darien" and "Negaverse".





Once again, I'm not mixing anything. Those are both names from the 

dub.

If that's the only reason you're twitching, on the other hand... maybe I

should label this story [SM Dub crossover].

I doubt that's neccessary.

I think the names Allyn's referring to are 'Ami' and 'Rei', as, I believe

in the dub they were 'Amy' and 'Raye', though I think 'Raye' pronounces

nearly like 'Rei' except for the harder R in japanese.

'Ami', 'A' is pronounced as 'o' in "now", and 'i' is pronounced somewhat

like 'e', except a bit shorter.







    "Hard work or not, there has to be a way to beat

them," said Mina.

"Everyone has a weakness."

    "The problem is," put in Artemis, "your powers

were designed for

fighting the creatures of the Negaverse. If Ami's

right about these new

opponents not being from the Negaverse, you could

very well be in over

your heads with this fight!"



@@Personal POV. Looking at all 200 episodes of SM,

this doesn't _quite_ jibe. I can see how it _could_

work.

But it's difficult to put aside the SM universe. One

of the

problems with writing fanficion . . .people who are

familiar

with the series have their own idea about how things

work or should work. IMO, you might want a bit more

detail.





You're talking about the seasons after the first, where they're fighting

evil in other forms, right? Well, I haven't seen it but I do know a few

things that might explain my stance a bit better...

1) The Sailor Scouts all died and were revived with no memory of the

whole Negaverse incident after Beryl's death, weren't they? (Yes, it's a

spoiler, but I figured that anyone who's read this far is probably

planning to read the whole story, and that's a major point in the next

chapter.) When their Sailor Scout powers returned, maybe they were

altered somewhat to affect the new opponents...



Hmm...

2) In later seasons, the Sailor Scouts have more powers and don't use

their original powers much. There are even several points where their

powers fail to work, and the Scouts (particularly Sailor Moon) have to

learn new powers that will be effective against more powerful 

opponents.



Point



3) Who's to say that Luna and Artemis fully understand the powers? 

Since

they can't remember how the Scouts can increase their power, there 

might

be other hazy details.



A good point. They might even be way off base, here.



4) They can't see the future... maybe the powers are designed to work

against creatures that are inherently evil, and the Negaverse monsters

are the only example that they've seen so far.



This is another good point and even a likely explanation, as 

it would be wise to put some kind of safeguard against evil people

gaining this kind of powers.



    "What?" asked Ami, sweatdropping. "I haven't got

a plan!"



@@IMO, "sweatdropping" or "sweatdrop" is

a fanfic convention that is better off NOT used.

I realize other writers use it, along with <shudder>

"facefault", but IMO . . .it's "cheating", a way to

avoid

developing real descriptions.

MY POV only.



It's a fanfic and ANIME convention. (I don't read enough [read "any"]

manga to know whether the sweatdrop appears in them or not...) I don't

use sweatdropping, facefaulting, and other such conventions in series

that don't have them. Sailor Moon characters sweatdrop rather

prolifically; so in keeping style with the show, I follow the

convention. In my original anime works, I don't.



Again, I wonder how *Allyn* would write a scene where someone sweat

drops or face-faults. Would he use english literary conventions instead?

Besides, Anime mannerisms are contageous. Not that I have face-faulted, 

*yet*...



 

    "New powers?" asked Serena. "Where do we find

those?"



@@TV: "Come on down to Powers-R-Us! All this week,

Hyper-Beam-Destructo-Ray, only 9999.95 Yen. And to the

first one hundred customers . . .A brand new Magical

Girl

Theme Song by Mayo Okamoto!"





Please allow six to eight episodes for delivery.



Besides, they're supposed to go through some kind of traumatic

event before gaining that power. ^.^ Maybe the Moon kingdom

was founded by some sort of Saiyajin mutation...

(as they gain power by going near-death.)

Or maybe they are powered by strong emotions, like Ranma's 

Moko Takabisha...



There's a reason Artemis can't remember the details, and it's brought up

(sort of) in the next chapter, when Pluto explains why the situation is

so grave. This particular fact is not explicitly mentioned, but the

Sailor Scouts discovering new powers would be as dangerous as them

getting killed at this point.



I'm betting their bodies couldn't handle it, or some equivalent ^.^

(hands 1000yen to Nabiki)





<SOME SNIPPAGE OF MY OWN>



    "You will," replied Beryl. "A simple spell

should be enough to

obscure your bangles from mortal eyes and give you

the appearance of a

common schoolgirl at Grass Valley Junior High

School. We are quite sure

that most of the Sailor Scouts attend one of those

two schools."



@@RYOKO: "Why don't we just kill everyone

at both those schools??



BERYL: "You FOOL! That would reveal our presence to

the humans."





RYOKO: You mean, more humans than the ones you've already attacked 

and

failed to kill, who've already seen your generals and know who it is

that the Sailor Scouts are fighting?





RYOKO: "Yeah, but the only ones who can stop you

would be dead."





Beryl doesn't want to kill more innocent humans than she has to, 

believe

it or not. What would be the fun of taking over a world without innocent

people to torture?

IMO, Beryl's plain insane. So anything goes.

Actually, your Beryl is at least twice as capable as the one in Anime...







@@Rather static description, not very original.

Not bad, but you want to grab the reader, give them

something new. It's HARD, I know. AND not always

possible,

with the best of intentions. I just got slammed for

the same

thing. However in this case I think you can fix it

with a minor re-write.



Example::



"Class, we have a new student."

"Ummm . . .Hi," she nervously twisted her

short, red pony-tail between her fingers. "My . .

.ummm

name is Ranko. Ranko Tendo."



The temperature in the room went up

ten degrees when she waved, shyly, and when she

smiled the sudden testosterone storm almost blew

down the walls.





Ranko, shy? Maybe if she's hoping to get something for it, like a free

scoop of ice cream. NOT if she's forced to go to school as a girl for

the purpose of hunting down and killing other girls.

Nodnod.

(s)he's probably be much more like to appear quite silent and, sullen?

as there's a decent possibility of having to kill people.

I wonder, how would Ranma go through something like that?

Either being personal and merciful, or inpersonal, using an area-attack...





I do like your description, which is exactly why I can't use it. Not

only because it is now YOUR description, but because I'm trying to set a

mood. Class is boring. We'll get more explicit description of this later

on, but for now, the school day is hateful for Ranko, and the dry

description gets a bit of that across. Think about The Wizard of Oz...

it starts and ends in black and white. Do you think people complained

because the scenes weren't colorful enough? (Well, maybe, but there 

was

a reason for that too.)



Good points. Maybe some slight improving in case, so the *text* isn't 

boring to read. In this time with people having a three-second attention 

span, it's harder than ever. But I doubt how to write about something

presumably boring without being witty about it. Maybe by being cold?

then again, that might lessen the impact with Ranma's, er, Ranko's 

appereance... Hmm.



Getting sidetracked, who, me?



@@NOT the only way to do this, of course.

It does illustrate a couple of points.

1) get past the teacher ASAP. Nothing

very interesting there. (Unless the teacher

is a youma or a character from another series.

Ganpachi Chabane from "Ultimate Teacher", for

instance. ^_^ I like to slip in little cameo's, if

it doesn't interfere with the plot, just to keep

things interesting. But it's not necessary and some

readers find it annoying. ^_*





No, no cameos here. The teacher is indeed uninteresting. As mentioned,

it is an uninteresting scene for a reason.



This is Serena's class... So is it Haruna-sensei teaching?

(dunno what she's called in the dub)



Ranko

sighed. Having to kill innocent girls she could

probably learn to deal

with. Going to school was another thing altogether.



@@<ouch> That's cold. ^_*

Cute, but rather breaks the mood, IMO.





The mood? MY intended mood was that Ranko's bored and fed up with 

being

pushed around, but has to hold back for Akane's sake. Hence the boring

description... well, enough about that.



Of course, you might make the classroom scene quite um, shojo, so,

the break is even more jarring...



    Amelia examined Stephanie's cheerful smile and

long dark hair.

"Don't get me wrong. I'm not a very friendly

person."



@@Who is saying this? "Amelia"? Or Stephanie?





Amelia. Stephanie spoke in the previous paragraph. Not that it 

COULDN'T

be her, but... considering the context, I thought it was pretty obvious

who was speaking.



Quite, yes. But, as always, it's best not to assume anything.



    Stephanie smiled again and straightened up in

her desk, her chest

jiggling slightly as she did so. "People say that I

have a fiery heart

that simply burns with congeniality!"



@@Only those people who have stopped their medication.





Nah... it's one of those deus ex machina things. You know... the bad

guys are always led to suspect the wrong person by some strange

coincidental twist of words or events. I have Amelia suspecting

Stephanie because it fits the feel of the show.



Or 'Amelia' is just suspicious 'cause Stephanie has a bigger chest. ^.^

At which point this diverges from Slayers, btw? 

AFAIK Lina was 15 or 16 when she met gourry, and eighteen during

Try. Actually, I think she's slighly taller in Try...





Good work.

^_O

Overall: C+

(A+ would be Krista Perry or Jamie and Bridget Wilde)



Let's put it this way... Everyone, it seems, is being compared to Krista

Perry, and I've ranted about authors whose works are used in similar

ways on other lists. I'll spare you that rant. I don't aspire to that

level of writing because I believe that the focus is no longer on the

writing but on the name of the author. I do admire her work, yes... but

I have my own style. I don't want to see every author on this list start

to write in her style, or things will get rather monotonous. What would

happen if everyone started writing in Shakespearean?

(Was going to put an example of that here, but I think the rhetorical

question speaks for itself.)

I prefer not to be as heavy on description as the authors whose styles

are so highly praised, so that I can focus on the action. Active

description, as you mentioned earlier, is a big part of that. All

personal decisions, of course... but I can generally turn out new

chapters more frequently than the more descriptive authors.



Actually, the first chapters of "HOI" are not that good.

She too, has improved with time.

Also, everyone has their preferences, and styles. I'm not 

sure if Perry would even fit in the top ten, If I started listing

the authors I like. Allyn would probably be higher on the list

than her. 

Anyway.





Interesting idea and I like the idea of using Ranma

as a bad guy.  Mixing Japanese with English names is,

IMO,

a VERY bad idea.



Mine too. That's why I never do it. ^_^



Consciously, at least...



Plot development is weak, but shows promise. Mostly

you must spend more time developing things, add more

detail. Make it come alive. Don't try to rush the

story

or force issues. Put the characters in situations and

see what they

do. Again, go for smooth and natural.





Oh, there will be plenty of development. I just can't stand shelving the

 plot for as long as it will take to develop things that way.

*sigh* You really want me to go back over this and majorly rewrite,

don't you? Well, I suppose I'll see what I can do. I'm definitely going

to stay away from the scene you gave me, particularly because Ranko is

NOT going to be shy. But I may be able to capture some of that effect

without ruining my original intent for the scene.

That's good.

Don't take Allyn's advice as gospel, though. Stephan Gagne has written

many successful fics with "plot first, characters second" attitude, though

that seems to be the reason he ran into problems with Starboard...

With lots of action planned, it might not be that good an idea to let

characters to develop too much, for they might, god forbid, solve

problems without fighting.





I think it's got potential, especially if you work

with Ranma. A LOT

of dynamic tension possible with him. Conflict between

Akane's life

and innocent lives. PLUS, all the people who will die

if the Senshi die.

(I _refuse_ to use the "SS" word. ^_^)



Lina, surprisingly, has probably the easiest time killing people. After all, 

she comes from somewhat paper-cut 'Sword and Sorcery' world.



The Space Pirate Ryoko wouldn't have much problems either, though 

current Ryoko(after Tenchi) might.



It's a good thing they were given direct order to avoid in-fighting.



One thing I can think Ranma doing, is, (if he can manage enough thinking,

that is,) that as the order was to kill the senshi, if the girls would be 

unable to become senshi, there wouldn't be a problem, right?







You don't like Lina and Ryoko? They've got tension too. I'm just leaving

that until later.



What do they look like in their disguises, BTW? 

I didn't seem to catch how the magic changed their appereance.

 

Good luck with the rest. I hope I've helped at least a

little.





Well, if you've helped my writing, you've crippled my free time. But

sincere thanks in either case. I will look this chapter over again and

possibly vivify the description a bit.



LOVE the pun in the title, btw. I only wish I could do

things like that.





Really? It was a working title... but I guess this is a vote for keeping

it.



It's pretty good. Maybe a bit too funny for the seriousness of this fic, 

but can't tell much about that yet.

Allyn mentioned a lack of plot developement, but IMO with relatively 

short chapters I think you can afford two or three chapters for the 

set-up - assuming you can churn them out at a relatively high speed.





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